Old 12-04-2006, 02:25 AM   #1
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Do all train cabs have toilets in them? If so are they like airplane toilets and do they also use fresh water? Any pictures?

Also, do switchers have toilet? ive noticed on the green goat road switchers theres a toilet drain on the side.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:49 AM   #2
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I think most of them have one. One time I rode on a locomotive that had one but it didn't work.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:56 AM   #3
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Most engines have toilets except some old Southern Railroad units, and yard goats. The new green goats do have toilets. They look kind of like airplane toilets, but are more like portajohns with that wierd blue water. They are usually pretty disgusting. I made a point of using the toilet in the UP 1996 when it was here a few weeks ago. :P
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:52 PM   #4
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49 CFR 229.137 lays out all the requirements for locomotive toilets. Members of the FRA Rail Safety Advisory Committee worked on this issue for several years. (Care to debate the definition of clean as it pertains to a locomotive toilet compartment?)

In short, new locomotives have them and all lead units on road trains must have a functioning toilet at the originating terminal. Defects must be corrected or another unit placed in the lead at the next calendar day inspection. Existing short wheelbase (switcher) units are exempt as are some equipment on short lines.

Not that you would want to, but you can read all about it here.


http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...cfr229.137.htm
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:03 PM   #5
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Most engines have toilets except some old Southern Railroad units, and yard goats. The new green goats do have toilets. They look kind of like airplane toilets, but are more like portajohns with that wierd blue water. They are usually pretty disgusting. I made a point of using the toilet in the UP 1996 when it was here a few weeks ago. :P

i would have guessed that the heritage units have clean bathrooms

and the GEVO's too probably!
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:59 AM   #6
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Here in the UK there are no toilets on the motive power, oddly some old (now mostly withdraw) units did have urinals.

I guess the poor driver just has to cross his/her legs , or stop at a station.

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Old 12-08-2006, 04:07 AM   #7
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Am I mistaken, or didn't the early toilets on trains empty directly onto the tracks?
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:14 AM   #8
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Am I mistaken, or didn't the early toilets on trains empty directly onto the tracks?
You are correct - coaches and locomotives used to dump directly on the tracks. The urban legend is that it all came to an end when some senator was fishing underneath a bridge and was flushed upon by an Amtrak train in the early 1970's.
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:13 AM   #9
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I have heard that Southern RR was too cheep to put toilets in its power so crews had to go in plastic bags. Initially the crews would just toss the bags along the route. Then the company decided that they didnt like this practice, and the bags were marked with the engines number, so the crews had to have that bag with them for their whole tour of duty.
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I have heard that Southern RR was too cheep to put toilets in its power so crews had to go in plastic bags. . . .
NS units had the dry hopper system whereby a plastic bag would be draped over a holder. After use it would be closed up and stored in a covered bucket for removal during locomotive servicing. While controversial, it did stand up in court cases brought by labor. Probably a major impetus for the regulation described above was their desire to ban this sytem. I have heard that some bags did find themselves flung into lineside wires or into the stomachs of wayside cattle. The railroad responded by having serial numbes printed on the bags for record keeping. Crews, of course, are resourceful and either brought their own bags or turned the company bags inside out before using. Happily this is all behind us now and NS units have standard flush toilets.

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Old 12-15-2006, 10:47 AM   #11
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I remember when we first raised the issue of toilets on locomotives here in Australia. Management were strongly opposed as they argued it would result in loco down time for servicing and loss of power due to a defective toilet.
20 odd years later I would have to agree with them. It is not unusual to take over a unit in running with a foul smelling crap box that you wouldn't go in to throw up. And locos do get pulled out of running for toilet issues.
It all seems pointless to me to have them. Regulations forbid leaving the cab whilst moving so why not just stop at a lineside convenience placed at a passing loop or at some other suitable location. Simply notify the controller/dispatcher that you require a toilet stop. Ground based toilets have got to be easier to maintain than chemical units in fact if the user cleans up after themself there basically is no maintenance.
As for drop throughs, I think that the EPA might have had a hand in their demise in most civilised countries.
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* * *As for drop throughs, I think that the EPA might have had a hand in their demise in most civilised countries.
They're not found here in FRA-regulated roads in the US.
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Its railroad etiquite not to set out a bad order in the lead unit. Most of the time we grab a yellow zone when we get off the power for roll bys, and use the trailing units in emergencies.

Truth be told I have bad ordered more power because of toilet issues than anything else.
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If there is a no dumping law then why are there pipes on the left side of the sd70ace's that say "Toilet drain" above them
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If there is a no dumping law then why are there pipes on the left side of the sd70ace's that say "Toilet drain" above them
They are dumped at service tracks.
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They are dumped at service tracks.

What is a service track, and are there any pictures on RP.net?

I have never seen these before lol!
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What is a service track, and are there any pictures on RP.net?

I have never seen these before lol!

You usually see them in yards where they keep the locomotives at.
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Old 12-17-2006, 01:53 PM   #18
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CSX
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=166102

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=100277
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Here are some picts of some locomotive toilets:

http://www.csx-sucks.com/pictures/?br2.jpg

http://www.csx-sucks.com/pictures/?br2.jpg

http://www.csx-sucks.com/pictures/?br1.jpg
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errr... thanks Tag.

I'm pretty sure that my grandmother would NOT approve using this bathroom.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:09 AM   #21
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Here's a pic I took of the toilet in a GP9.

http://mst145.rrpicturearchives.net/...aspx?id=544701


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Here are some picts of some locomotive toilets:
http://www.csx-sucks.com/pictures/?br2.jpg
Those are photographs of the Bogan toilet system (similiar to a "portajohn," they have a waste holding tank beneath the seat that is treated with chemicals. A baffle plate was installed to prevent people getting blue stains on their private parts. Based on the color of the seat, the baffle is missing or not properly installed. This system was found on older units and remains acceptable in the federal rule under a grandfather clause. The system has to be phased out as the units are sold / retired.

It is depressing to consider that I know so much about this stuff.
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Here's the toilet of a GE E44:

http://mst145.rrpicturearchives.net/...spx?id=1020262

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So the hand wheel next to the toilet... just in case you happen to be sitting down when you need to stop that train?
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Its railroad etiquite not to set out a bad order in the lead unit. Most of the time we grab a yellow zone when we get off the power for roll bys, and use the trailing units in emergencies.

Truth be told I have bad ordered more power because of toilet issues than anything else.

WTF is a yellow Zone?
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