Old 02-20-2014, 04:03 AM   #26
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Who?
Y'know, Bill - the guy who started this now side tracked thread.

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I wonder if the screeners ever take in account the time (or even care) that somebody takes to plan out a photo shoot, looking for interesting subjects, research the history and or information about the particular shot? I keep asking myself why I waste my time...
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:25 AM   #27
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GEEZASS folks - there is no Bill. I am a witness. HG is Troy.
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GEEZASS folks - there is no Bill. I am a witness. HG is Troy.
No Bill
A term that the foreman of the Grand Jury writes across the face of a bill of indictment (a document drawn up by a prosecutor that states formal criminal charges against a designated individual) to indicate that the criminal charges alleged therein against a suspect have not been sufficiently supported by the evidence presented before it to warrant his or her criminal prosecution.


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I was not talking about the photographer that submits every image they've ever taken. I was talking about Bill, lol - I just wanted to say I can sympathize with him and was inclined to believe the answer to his question was "no".

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Old 02-20-2014, 04:06 PM   #29
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I would question why I hiked in a half a mile to get that shot. The end results are poor and nothing else really matters honestly. If I drive 2000 and have crappie weather while I am 2000 miles from home should my shots get on only because of the effort it took to get them, I think not.
I get crappy weather shots on ten miles from where I live.
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I get crappy weather shots on....
Yeah, what gives with that?
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:55 PM   #31
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No Bill
A term that the foreman of the Grand Jury writes across the face of a bill of indictment (a document drawn up by a prosecutor that states formal criminal charges against a designated individual) to indicate that the criminal charges alleged therein against a suspect have not been sufficiently supported by the evidence presented before it to warrant his or her criminal prosecution.


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Or I'll lay your soul to waste, mmm yeah

To which I respond, huh?

The civics lesson was cool, but I frankly have no idea what you're getting at with it. Did I say something that you found inadvertenly offensive?

Utterly confused.
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:32 PM   #32
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To which I respond, huh?

The civics lesson was cool, but I frankly have no idea what you're getting at with it. Did I say something that you found inadvertenly offensive?

Utterly confused.
I don't get offended, it was just to ...Utterly confuse you, it's like a guy with a hundred dollar bill in his pocket, he has no cents...and I thought you frequent these forums enough to know that
BTW you knew that was a quote from the stones right?
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I don't get offended, it was just to ...Utterly confuse you, it's like a guy with a hundred dollar bill in his pocket, he has no cents...and I thought you frequent these forums enough to know that
BTW you knew that was a quote from the stones right?
Ah - cool... missed the quote, now I get it.
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Ah - cool... missed the quote, now I get it.
Xanex time.....
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So after I had taken around 40 shots of the caboose at different angles, exposures, etc I resubmitted a few different ones with corrections, not once but 5 times and got 5 rejections, everything from:
-Poor Esthetic Qualityx3
- Overexposed
- Oversharpened
- Poor Lighting (High Sun)
So I guess they just didn't like my caboose shot, I even did a B/W version.
Ok so I'm done with that....

The Irony of it all... I'm driving down the road, I see gates down with no one at them proceed to said gates, train starts to proceed, (happen to have camera in vehicle) I roll the window down fire off 15 shots, gates go up I go home, later that night I upload one to RP (since it was a kinda of a Fog shot, that I didn't have in my RP portfolio) and bingo, as Mitch said "Does it matter how hard you tried?".....I guess not
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Old 03-01-2014, 02:10 AM   #36
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I only shoot pictures from whored out spots, Ludlow for instance
This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this
I never heard of a jumping cholla cactus before, I had to look it up. Hope you didn't end up like the guy in the video HG, holy crap!
Great shots with a great historical record! well done, better than National Geographic

"Getting to the trestle involves at 14 mile round trip hike through Anza Borego State Park, The hike itself involves mountainous terrain that is inhabited by rattle snakes, big horn sheep, coyotes, mountain lions and the famous jumping cholla cactus"

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[i]"Getting to the trestle involves at 14 mile round trip hike through Anza Borego State Park, The hike itself involves mountainous terrain that is inhabited by rattle snakes, big horn sheep, coyotes, mountain lions and the famous jumping cholla cactus"
That's BS, they took Charles' helicopter
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I couldn't go. (Had hoped to, but work was backed up.)
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This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this
I never heard of a jumping cholla cactus before, I had to look it up. Hope you didn't end up like the guy in the video HG, holy crap!

Thanks, it really didn't seem that bad at the time.

BTW - the Cholla video is dead accurate, and the stuff breaks off by just brushing into it, or having loose clothing catch a bit and then it swings into your leg, or foot as you walk away from the plant.

To get it off you need pliers, or a large comb because touching it with your fingers just gets the spines stuck in a new place (as in the video) and they go in easy, but there are reverse barbs on the spines that cause the skin to catch and tear on the way out.

Ya sort of wonder who God was pissed at when this stuff came to be.

Cholla doesn't grow in the Mojave, so when we are running around Ludow and the BNSF Needles Sub., it is not something you need to deal with, but in the Sonoran Desert, Cholla is everywhere.

And then there was this guy (notice all the Cholla?) - we came around a corner and he ran at us and stopped about 50 feet away and just stood there menacingly for about a minute.


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I was really glad when he turned around an ran off after his family who had bolted across the canyon.

It is amazing how fast these animals move across those rocks.


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I can solve that - it will be as if you were there.

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This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this

"Getting to the trestle involves at 14 mile round trip hike through Anza Borego State Park, The hike itself involves mountainous terrain that is inhabited by rattle snakes, big horn sheep, coyotes, mountain lions and the famous jumping cholla cactus"

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And after all that hiking, he can't capture the bridge in better lighting.

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And then there was this guy (notice all the Cholla?) - we came around a corner and he ran at us and stopped about 50 feet away and just stood there menacingly for about a minute.
I would have thrown rocks at it.
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And after all that hiking, he can't capture the bridge in better lighting.
I was lucky to get that, since it was overcast most of the day.

However, looking at other photos of the bridge over the years, I am not sure whether it can be photographed in full sun unless you are out there in the summer at high noon, which explains why there doesn't seem to be any photos.

It would be rather hazardous to repeat our hike in summer.

The situation is rather vexing since the best weather for hiking, is not the best for photography.

As you can see, the bridge is down in a canyon and the walls are quite high which causes shadows.

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I was lucky to get that, since it was overcast most of the day.

However, looking at other photos of the bridge over the years, I am not sure whether it can be photographed in full sun unless you are out there in the summer at high noon, which explains why there doesn't seem to be any photos.

It would be rather hazardous to repeat our hike in summer.

The situation is rather vexing since the best weather for hiking, is not the best for photography.

As you can see, the bridge is down in a canyon and the walls are quite high which causes shadows.
I wouldn't say you were lucky to get that shot when it was sunny. You would have been luckier to get it during the overcast periods, as the shadows would have been greatly reduced....IMO.

And before you tell me about how hard your hike was, I busted my ass up a 12-mile, 2000+ ft elevation gain with a 50 pound backpack to get this shot last September...




(By the way, I was giving you a hard time with my original statement that you quoted. I like the shot you got, sunshine or not. )
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I was lucky to get that, since it was overcast most of the day.

As you can see, the bridge is down in a canyon and the walls are quite high which causes shadows.
For what it's worth, I think the shadows, at least as you have shot them, work well with the shot
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And before you tell me about how hard your hike was, I busted my ass up a 12-mile, 2000+ ft elevation gain with a 50 pound backpack to get this shot last September...

What's the story with that location?
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And before you tell me about how hard your hike was, I busted my ass up a 12-mile, 2000+ ft elevation gain with a 50 pound backpack to get this shot last September...

What a freakin' topper
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.... 12-mile, 2000+ ft elevation gain with a 50 pound backpack to get this shot last September...
You win.

I have back packed in the past (it is not something I enjoy) and it is much harder.

If I were to take a trip somewhere that I couldn't drive and need to take that kind of weight, I would do it by horseback.

I am done with heavy packs.

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What's the story with that location?
Remains of an 1800s era gold mine in the Mount Zirkel Wilderness area in northeast Colorado. After hours of research online, I discovered that there is very little information regarding the site, and very few images. In fact, based on the small number of snapshots I found from random hikers online, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the photos that I took of it are the best in the past 50 years.

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I had a feeling you'd chime in.

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You win.

I have back backed in the past (it is not something I enjoy) and it is much harder.

If I were to take a trip somewhere that I couldn't drive and need to take that kind of wight, I would do it by horseback.

I am done with heavy packs.
I definitely learned my lesson. That was my first "serious" camping trip (three days) and I took too much stuff. Next time I'm going to try to keep the weight between 30-40 pounds, and also go through a much more extreme workout regimen in the weeks leading up to the hike.
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Remains of an 1800s era gold mine in the Mount Zirkel Wilderness area in northeast Colorado. After hours of research online, I discovered that there is very little information regarding the site, and very few images. In fact, based on the small number of snapshots I found from random hikers online, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the photos that I took of it are the best in the past 50 years.
Interesting... so I have to ask, why B&W?
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Interesting... so I have to ask, why B&W?
it's 1800s era, they didn't have color
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