Old 02-17-2014, 03:18 AM   #1
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I wonder if the screeners ever take in account the time (or even care) that somebody takes to plan out a photo shoot, looking for interesting subjects, research the history and or information about the particular shot?
I had this caboose shot (and another one that I walked a half a mile in the snow to get a good angle) that I have been waiting to get for months, I finally get a good day and the right spot, do the research and add a little info to make it informative to the viewer only to get a quick PEQ
and then I happen to check out the latest uploads to see four photos accepted of the same (wedgie shot) train all taken on the same day with noting in the remarks section.
I keep asking myself why I waste my time
here's the shot for the next seven days, for what it's worth
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:31 AM   #2
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I do not think they take any of that into account. Sometimes for better, sometimes, painfully obvious, for the worse.

In one sense - it's results driven. Does it matter how hard you tried?

In another sense - some shots just do not get any better and that should be taken into consideration but often does not.

And on a side note - I've always championed some sort of notation, badge if you will, to recognize photos of a variety that are perfectly executed and near impossible to duplicate - those obvious and apart from the norm. 'Shame the SC is biased or that another badge (direct route to the front page) does not exist other then the POTW.

Back to your shot - not loving it. May have accepted it, no worse then others, and at even more interesting in content and caption. But seems you could've shot a variety of compositions with one appealing enough for RP's tastes. You focused on the end where as most would likely find more appeal in more visible on the side. Sky is a bit funky - blown out in one spot.

I can not see the other "same" shots, though noticed there are no other shots of this C&O marked caboose that I can find on RP.

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PS - I know many that have long since stopped writing captions until AFTER their images are screened.
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How is the screener suppose to know all the sweat, blood and tears you spent on that shot? Looks like you could of easily just driven up to it.

… and on top of that your shot has got some funky editing going on in it too.
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How is the screener suppose to know all the sweat, blood and tears you spent on that shot? Looks like you could of easily just driven up to it.

and on top of that your shot has got some funky editing going on in it too.
I'm not talking about just that shot, I'm saying in general, is any merit given to the time/research spent, when they screen the photos, kinda like they were giving to the Big Boy related shots.

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I'm not talking about just that shot, I'm saying in general, is any merit given to the time/research spent, when they screen the photos, kinda like they were giving to the Big Boy related shots.
As somebody who checked out the Big Boy, I can tell you those shots required 0% more effort than any other stand by the tracks and wait shot. I know what you're getting at, but bad example!

And to build off what Lloyd mentioned in the pervious comment; there is definitely no correlation between view count and difficultly of shot. Look at the current PotW and last two SCs. They are all great photos, but all drive up slam dunk shots.
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As in all things, we (people) generally do not care about the journey. We care about the end result. Your end result needs a run through editing again as John alluded to.


I researched this location for nearly two years. After I figured out how to get there, I climbed up and down it 10 times before I finally caught a train. Does that make it a better photograph? lol

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As in all things, we (people) generally do not care about the journey. We care about the end result. Your end result needs a run through editing again as John alluded to.


I researched this location for nearly two years. After I figured out how to get there, I climbed up and down it 10 times before I finally caught a train. Does that make it a better photograph? lol

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OK, I see I'm not going to get any support on this,
but......although we didn't know you researched that location for two years and went up and down that mountain 10 times, 5,728 people clicked on it, why? I think there's a correlation in there somewhere...I guess it could be a Machiavelli type of thing?
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People clicked on it because it makes an interesting thumbnail. They liked and commented because it's a decent photograph. I will say that hard to find spots are generally well received because they aren't whored out on here (or any photographic website), and eventually people lose their interest when they've seen 10000000 images from the same location. There's two photos from there on RP, and I own them both.

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I will say that hard to find spots are generally well received because they aren't whored out on here (or any photographic website), and eventually people lose their interest when they've seen 10000000 images from the same location. .
I only shoot pictures from whored out spots, Ludlow for instance
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I only shoot pictures from whored out spots, Ludlow for instance
This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this
I never heard of a jumping cholla cactus before, I had to look it up. Hope you didn't end up like the guy in the video HG, holy crap!
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[i]"Getting to the trestle involves at 14 mile round trip hike through Anza Borego State Park, The hike itself involves mountainous terrain that is inhabited by rattle snakes, big horn sheep, coyotes, mountain lions and the famous jumping cholla cactus"
That's BS, they took Charles' helicopter
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This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this
I never heard of a jumping cholla cactus before, I had to look it up. Hope you didn't end up like the guy in the video HG, holy crap!

Thanks, it really didn't seem that bad at the time.

BTW - the Cholla video is dead accurate, and the stuff breaks off by just brushing into it, or having loose clothing catch a bit and then it swings into your leg, or foot as you walk away from the plant.

To get it off you need pliers, or a large comb because touching it with your fingers just gets the spines stuck in a new place (as in the video) and they go in easy, but there are reverse barbs on the spines that cause the skin to catch and tear on the way out.

Ya sort of wonder who God was pissed at when this stuff came to be.

Cholla doesn't grow in the Mojave, so when we are running around Ludow and the BNSF Needles Sub., it is not something you need to deal with, but in the Sonoran Desert, Cholla is everywhere.

And then there was this guy (notice all the Cholla?) - we came around a corner and he ran at us and stopped about 50 feet away and just stood there menacingly for about a minute.


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I was really glad when he turned around an ran off after his family who had bolted across the canyon.

It is amazing how fast these animals move across those rocks.


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And then there was this guy (notice all the Cholla?) - we came around a corner and he ran at us and stopped about 50 feet away and just stood there menacingly for about a minute.
I would have thrown rocks at it.
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This makes my half mile trek in the snow look like a cake walk compared to this

"Getting to the trestle involves at 14 mile round trip hike through Anza Borego State Park, The hike itself involves mountainous terrain that is inhabited by rattle snakes, big horn sheep, coyotes, mountain lions and the famous jumping cholla cactus"

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And after all that hiking, he can't capture the bridge in better lighting.

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And after all that hiking, he can't capture the bridge in better lighting.
I was lucky to get that, since it was overcast most of the day.

However, looking at other photos of the bridge over the years, I am not sure whether it can be photographed in full sun unless you are out there in the summer at high noon, which explains why there doesn't seem to be any photos.

It would be rather hazardous to repeat our hike in summer.

The situation is rather vexing since the best weather for hiking, is not the best for photography.

As you can see, the bridge is down in a canyon and the walls are quite high which causes shadows.

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I would question why I hiked in a half a mile to get that shot. The end results are poor and nothing else really matters honestly. If I drive 2000 and have crappie weather while I am 2000 miles from home should my shots get on only because of the effort it took to get them, I think not.
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I would question why I hiked in a half a mile to get that shot. The end results are poor and nothing else really matters honestly. If I drive 2000 and have crappie weather while I am 2000 miles from home should my shots get on only because of the effort it took to get them, I think not.
First off that wasn't the shot I walked a half a mile for, second, I never said they should get ON because of the effort, I simply said do the "screeners ever take in account the effort"
And if we were to question any thing it would be, why do we do what we do, that is, take photos of trains and then bitch about them not getting accepted to a website..just saying
BTW here's the 1/2 mile walk shot.
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First off that wasn't the shot I walked a half a mile for, second, I never said they should get ON because of the effort, I simply said do the "screeners ever take in account the effort"
And if we were to question any thing it would be, why do we do what we do, that is, take photos of trains and then bitch about them not getting accepted to a website..just saying
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I'm with you in some regards - as stated in my earlier post. One such instance on my account was photographing several Northern Pacific steam engines while on a trip in the Northwest. No photos existed on RP, hardly any of NP at all, in fact. Did they take that into account when rejecting for "foreground obstruction" due to the protective fence? Nope. Was I trying to get a PC? Nope. Did I bitch - yup. And why? Not because it didn't get on, but because others with a fence had been accepted AND because while a NP steam engine behind a fence might not be representative of the best railroad photos on the net, neither are roster shots, wedges, Darwin's nor wrecks.

Your photo portfolio represents your style and vision. Seems legit to be frustrated when your portfolio represents their vision of "your vision". Funny, I went to Chipolte's the other day - I got a free lunch since I was a regular patron for months. Unfortunately, on RP, it seems every visit (post) is treated as your first. And that's fine if it weren't for all the damn flies!

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Your photo portfolio represents your style and vision. Seems legit to be frustrated when your portfolio represents their vision of "your vision". Funny, I went to Chipolte's the other day - I got a free lunch since I was a regular patron for months. Unfortunately, on RP, it seems every visit (post) is treated as your first. And that's fine if it weren't for all the damn flies!
Mitch, I generally agree with your post, but not sure where you're going with the pair of ideas you lay out here.

First off, isn't a screening process with (at least it theory) a set list of standards sort of intrinsically opposed to developing "your vision" of a portfolio on RP? There are plenty of sites that let railfans have complete total control… and largely they are significantly lower in quality than RP. I think RP does a good job of balancing quality control ("their vision," if you will) and allowing latitude for photographers to define a style. Look at the wide variety of processing, subject matter and styles (i.e., wedge, night, panning, etc) found on the site. Are there limitations? Sure. But most photos not making the database are not being rejected because they are too artistically advanced for RP (including both mentioned by the OP), but because they simply bad photos.

Second, there is another term for giving somebody a break because they are a regular; favoritism. You got your free burrito because Chipolte wants you to come back. That's fine, but you're not competing against others for that burrito. Photos should be screened in a total vacuum (ideally without the photogs name. I know this was discussed years ago, did we ever get an answer on it?).

Edit; I just reread your post and it occurred to me I could be misinterpreting your second point. If you mean that as a regular on RP, you should be entitled to more in-depth feed back or support, then I agree with you there.
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Your photo portfolio represents your style and vision. Seems legit to be frustrated when your portfolio represents their vision of "your vision".
That's what flickr and other photo sharing websites are for (not to mention personal websites, like many of the photographers on this site have created).

I have no problem conforming to "their" vision because MY vision is available for others to view elsewhere on the interwebs.
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That's what flickr and other photo sharing websites are for (not to mention personal websites, like many of the photographers on this site have created).

I have no problem conforming to "their" vision because MY vision is available for others to view elsewhere on the interwebs.
Jim nailed it.

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I would question why I hiked in a half a mile to get that shot. The end results are poor and nothing else really matters honestly. If I drive 2000 and have crappie weather while I am 2000 miles from home should my shots get on only because of the effort it took to get them, I think not.
I get crappy weather shots on ten miles from where I live.
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Yeah, what gives with that?
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I think it's irrelevant how much effort a person put into a shot from the screeners point of view...
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Weird color and lighting... nail in the coffin.
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