Old 11-27-2010, 05:06 PM   #1
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So, I'm in a little rut here. What are your opinions on the PEQ? Too little contrast, etc. ?
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Old 11-27-2010, 05:14 PM   #2
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Tracks at the bottom do nothing for me.
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Old 11-27-2010, 05:35 PM   #3
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Gotcha.. I'll re-crop it here..
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:08 PM   #4
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Re-cropped it and still got the PEQ, anything else that needs fixing?
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:12 PM   #5
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While you can try recropping it, I doubt that will solve the issue. The rejects was PEQ, not bad cropping. From an RP perspective, I'm guessing that among other things they don't like the fact the the engine appears to be headed away from the viewer, that you have the chain link fence and gate in the foreground, and that there appears to be a tower growing out of the cab of the engine. On top of that, there's a fair amount of noise in the clouds. Now, having said all that, I think it's kind of a neat picture, and if you were doing a shoot on industrial railroading for a magazine article, it could work. I just don't think it's going to fit what RP wants.

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While you can try recropping it, I doubt that will solve the issue. The rejects was PEQ, not bad cropping. From an RP perspective, I'm guessing that among other things they don't like the fact the the engine appears to be headed away from the viewer, that you have the chain link fence and gate in the foreground, and that there appears to be a tower growing out of the cab of the engine. On top of that, there's a fair amount of noise in the clouds. Now, having said all that, I think it's kind of a neat picture, and if you were doing a shoot on industrial railroading for a magazine article, it could work. I just don't think it's going to fit what RP wants.

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All right thanks. As for noise, how could I get high amount of noise for ISO 80? I'll put it into my personal file. Thanks for your help.
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:24 PM   #7
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As for noise, how could I get high amount of noise for ISO 80?
If you get too aggressive with sharpening, it can introduce noise into the photo. If you look at the second reject, notice how the overhead lines, especially the lowest one, look jagged. That's a good indication that you've oversharpened things.

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If you get too aggressive with sharpening, it can introduce noise into the photo. If you look at the second reject, notice how the overhead lines, especially the lowest one, look jagged. That's a good indication that you've oversharpened things.

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I never knew that, thanks for that bit of advice!
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:46 PM   #9
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It's unlevel too
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It's unlevel too
what looks unlevel to you? I straightened it, but I might have made a mistake.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:01 PM   #11
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Just a question, but why did you convert it to black and white?
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:18 PM   #12
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Just saying, this picture does zippo for me, and I think the screener agreed, giving the PEQ.
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what looks unlevel to you? I straightened it, but I might have made a mistake.
Well, after looking at it much closer, there are to many things going in different directions to even suggest which way to correct.

I was leaning about .5 CW based on the "beam" thing, the gate and the block wall of the building in the foreground.

But after making that correction, the main building was off and the tracks in the foreground looked worse.

So disregard. I agree that it's not terribly interesting, but I have seen much worse get on.
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Here's what I think you could do to make this scene "better." Per my attachment, I think that if you put the locomotive in the red circled area, got rid of some of the area on the left, added a little bit to the right, made it horizontal, and kept it with color that the photo stands a better chance of being accepted. Did you shoot some frames horizontal?
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If the train had kept backing up, it would have worked, though there may be some cropping issues to discuss. It reminds me a little of this one from one of my favorite RP photogs --

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Just a question, but why did you convert it to black and white?
In addition to that, why vertical as well? There's nothing of interest at the top (sky) or bottom (asphalt).

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In addition to that, why vertical as well? There's nothing of interest at the top (sky) or bottom (asphalt).

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Something to think about Ian, Go to a more standard shot before getting so artsy if you want to get photos on here. Most on here want to see the locomotive and you have it going away and hidden by cars and thats the PEQ.
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Just a question, but why did you convert it to black and white?
Camera wasn't working with me in color, and was coming out bright; so I made it B&W from the getgo. It was a mistake.

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Thats fine.
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Here's what I think you could do to make this scene "better." Per my attachment, I think that if you put the locomotive in the red circled area, got rid of some of the area on the left, added a little bit to the right, made it horizontal, and kept it with color that the photo stands a better chance of being accepted. Did you shoot some frames horizontal?
I will check, I have some horizontal's but their iffy..

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I was shooting through a space between chain link fences; so I was limited. Vertical was the best thing I could really do.
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Here's another frame of mine.. Opinions?
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Much better. RP still might nab it for 'going away", but at least it's a better edit. I know that you're doing the best that you can with that shot, but I still think you should reshoot it horizontal if possible.
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Crop it and show us.
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Crop it and show us.
I don't understand what you mean..
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I would crop off the bottom pavement and the top until the top of the building. Then post it ON THE FORUMS and see what everyone says.
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I don't understand what you mean..
Show us what your going to do before you send it in.
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