Old 04-03-2008, 02:49 AM   #1
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It is cloudy common angle but.... I thought the snow on the plow and the storm clouds made this a good snow shot. Let me have it.


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Old 04-03-2008, 03:05 AM   #2
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It doesnt seem so much cloudy to me, but rather dark. No contest that it is a cloudy shot, but more dark than anything. I like it none the less.
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Old 04-03-2008, 03:07 AM   #3
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It is cloudy common angle but.... I thought the snow on the plow and the storm clouds made this a good snow shot. Let me have it.
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Cloudy/commen was the completely WRONG way to go here in terms of the rejection. The composition is actually very good and is more than common so "overprocessed" is the real rejection here. Like Jim said, lighten up on the s/h tool and just use normal brightening techniques. I would be interested in seeing what the original came out like.
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Wow, Travis, I don't know. I really like this shot, and to me, it doesn't seem overprocessed at all. Normally I cringe when people use the shadow/highlight or obviously dodge and burn, but this just seems like a bright shot on a day where brightness isn't the first thing you'd think of having. I mean, if the shadows were lightened, wouldn't we lose all the definition of the clouds?

I'm loving the detail, especially in the trees and telephone poles. There's lotsa atmosphere here.

Like Andrew said, I'd really be keen to see your original shot.
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Wow, Travis, I don't know. I really like this shot, and to me, it doesn't seem overprocessed at all. Normally I cringe when people use the shadow/highlight or obviously dodge and burn, but this just seems like a bright shot on a day where brightness isn't the first thing you'd think of having. I mean, if the shadows were lightened, wouldn't we lose all the definition of the clouds?
Selective masking. Not saying he did that, but that's how you'd easily achieve that.

I like the picture, too. It just jumped out at me as looking similar to an HDR image when I first saw it.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=505270&key=0

I tried going the other way and messed that up. Which of the two are better and what do you think I need to fix. I am trying to learn more then 3 functions of photoshop to help make my photography pop, so I am trying new things. You know how you work on a photo for sometime and it looks great untill you see it the next day. All comments are a help. Thank you.

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The white stuff around the train is snow and exhaust. It was actually still snowing lightly and the train kicked up all the fresh snow but I think the second processing maginified that too much.
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As far as the composition, I would prefer that the line poles be the left element, not the second element from the left. Ditch that scraggly tree! Those line poles are too close to the center, I think.
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Keep working on it. It's going to look cool when it finally gets in.


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I tried going the other way and messed that up. Which of the two are better and what do you think I need to fix. I am trying to learn more then 3 functions of photoshop to help make my photography pop, so I am trying new things. You know who you work on a photo for sometime and it looks great untill you see it the next day. All comments are a help. Thank you.
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If you don't mind, tell us what edits you made to the image in Photoshop. This should give you a chance to get some feedback on steps that you might have been a bit too aggressive with.
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First one. Adjusted in camera raw so that the train was exposed correctly. Used shadow/highlight tool too aggressively. Used a layer to darken the sky and lighten the train.

Second Adjust the same in camera raw. Very little shadow/highlight tool. Overly layer to darken sky and brighten train.

The original photo is underexposed "and" the sky is still blown out. I am really doing the edits to bring the stormy sky out and brighten the foreground.

I guess I am looking for the poor parts and good parts of the photo so I know what to try and fix and what to try and keep. thanks!!
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You've exceeded my PS knowledge already, but I can't wait until the shot gets accepted... I really like it.
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First one. Adjusted in camera raw so that the train was exposed correctly. Used shadow/highlight tool too aggressively. Used a layer to darken the sky and lighten the train.

Second Adjust the same in camera raw. Very little shadow/highlight tool. Overly layer to darken sky and brighten train.

The original photo is underexposed "and" the sky is still blown out. I am really doing the edits to bring the stormy sky out and brighten the foreground.

I guess I am looking for the poor parts and good parts of the photo so I know what to try and fix and what to try and keep. thanks!!
Can you show us the original?

And FWIW, I agree with Janusz on a new crop. If you crop just to the left of the codeline pole and some off the top, you should be able to keep the same ratio and make the composition a little neater.
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And FWIW, I agree with Janusz on a new crop.
I'm still bitter about the disagreement on the crop in the other thread.!
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I'm still bitter about the disagreement on the crop in the other thread.!
Hey, just because you have a thing against evergreens, it doesn't mean everyone does!
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Do you really want to see what I'm working with? It's bad. When I get home I will see what I can do.
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Do you really want to see what I'm working with? It's bad. When I get home I will see what I can do.
Yes. How about this...email the original to a few of us and we'll each have a go at it.
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Here you go. Have fun.
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You're just not going to get that sky without doing something that I feel is beyond the realm of the guidelines. I had to jack up the contrast just to see the clouds let alone bring them out like that.
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I don't care for power lines, so that kills it for me, And think it was maybe just a bit to dark out for not having snow falling but like the framing of the shot.
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I'm really not sure there's much more you can do to this to make it RP-worthy. If it were snowing, you'd definitely get it in.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=771666762

Here is my latest attempt. I think I got most of the fake look out but I will let you guys let me know what you think. Thanks.
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The original photo even has a little bit of a fake look, I think. Must be the colors and lighting.
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I'm not a fan of dead trees in snow shots but I had a go just to see what I could come up with.



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