Old 06-02-2011, 03:04 AM   #1
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This shot has been rejected 3 times for Horizon unlevel. I've gone cw, ccw and still the same thing. I leveled the vertical lines on the front of the engine and the horizontal line of the roof in the background, no good so I went to the transformer and ajusted the levels on it. Still no good. There's no pleasing these guys. Ron

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Old 06-02-2011, 04:13 AM   #2
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You shot from a 3/4 angle with a 24mm lens; you're going to get a ton of wide-angle distortion in that situation. Level to the gondola's outside ribs (it's in the middle of the image), use distortion in the bottom corners to bring the edge lines closer to vertical, then crop. See attached for a 60-second attempt at applying all that. (Oh, and clone out the dust spot above the left tree.)
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:04 AM   #3
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Like Dave the wide gave you something thats going to look out of level, In photoshop a lot of work to fix but you have time to play with it.
In photo shop Image-transform-perspective and play.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:18 PM   #4
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Yep, that must be a pretty heavy high and wide load. It made your photo sag.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:34 PM   #5
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With all due respect to Dave and Scott, this has nothing to do with perspective control. But, as Dave does also point out, the shot is quite unlevel and one should level to the vertical ribs on the gondola (the closest one).

Beyond that, whether one applies perspective control and gets everything aligned across the image, or leaves it alone after leveling, is a matter of taste and RP accepts them both ways. I too prefer doing perspective control in most cases, but it isn't mandatory for RP, I don't think.

Or am I wrong?

As Dave's version shows, the original was no where close to being level. The key thing on a wide angle is to make sure you focus on the center of the image in leveling, so in particular the roof of the house is not a good choice.
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Thanks for the help. I resubmited this morning, the second try where I had the vertical ribs on the gondola in line but was rejected and it went right through along with one other shot of the KRL 204002 depressed deck railcar that the screener from last night kept rejecting for one reason or another. The screener must of been in a bad mood or something. Thanks again Ron H.
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I too prefer doing perspective control in most cases, but it isn't mandatory for RP, I don't think.

Or am I wrong?
It seems that in my last year or more worth of unlevel rejections (unable to provide numbers), adjusting perspective got them in without touching the rotation after rejection in most of them. Coincidence or fluke, I can't say, but this is how it seems to me at least.
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It seems that in my last year or more worth of unlevel rejections (unable to provide numbers), adjusting perspective got them in without touching the rotation after rejection in most of them. Coincidence or fluke, I can't say, but this is how it seems to me at least.
One might suspect that applying perspective control makes it clearer to the screeners that a shot is level.
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