Old 10-04-2011, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default Bad cropping-I never get it right the first time!

How much do I need to crop? is it mostly on the sides? I hate to lose the Cassidy sign, but afraid it may have to go, in which case it's a no go for me. Anything else wrong? I'm thinking the overexposure in the background is OK, don't if it's acceptable to the screen team.

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:38 PM   #2
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Is "second try" also a RP reject or is it your take after the reject you have linked to? Looking at the reject, my first thought was to get rid of the signal box at the bottom, which you subsequently did.

But, looking further, you should be ok and Cassidy should be fine. You have centered the engine, a no-no. When the train is curving in from the left, put the nose right of center. So get rid of that (generally uninteresting anyway) area on the right. The attached is a first take and not necessarily what I would do if I took the time to really consider it.

It's a great spot! I want to go back! Time for an unnecessary thumbnail (wish I had spent more time on the bridge) ...

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:59 PM   #3
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Janusz,
missed the attacement. Thanks for the advice! put the nose just to the right of center or in the center third?
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Oops, sorry. This may be too square; just intended as a source of ideas. As for the nose, it just depends, I don't think there is a rule, but in general in this case I would not want it "just" to the right but further.
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:47 PM   #5
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I think that location is better suited to a vertical crop, try that using your "original" as the source. A bunch of nothing on either side of the train, and it's too centered.

Above and beyond that, it's very soft and ultimately you could get some sort of lighting reject along the way.
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wouldn't a vertical work better if the shot was from the ground level where the buildings would be emphasized more?
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wouldn't a vertical work better if the shot was from the ground level where the buildings would be emphasized more?
Maybe, but your rejected shot would look MUCH better as a vertical.
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The reject is not level.
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I think that location is better suited to a vertical crop
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Maybe, but your rejected shot would look MUCH better as a vertical.

I took a poll at the office based on your suggestions and did decide to crop vertical. thanks for everyone's help!

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Old 11-06-2011, 08:29 PM   #10
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You have centered the engine, a no-no. When the train is curving in from the left, put the nose right of center.
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This week's lesson in RP comp is a train coming straight on. Unfortunately(or fortunately?) the dispatcher routed the CHCSSE train on main three so it isn't a wedge but mostly head on. I originally put the loco just under the top right hot spot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1131749735

I went back and re-read the above and think the loco should be closer to the lower left. Since I'm on only two a day after letting my elite membership lapse, I am looking of a second opinion if this is better or not.
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A lot of empty space in both attempts. I'd probably skip over this one unless you can compose a vertical with the train back some under the signal.

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will this work?
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will this work?
That won't get on. Ever.
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Sorry Paul, the hump is pretty cool, but the crop is just awkward and lacking.

I think you just missed the shot there. So since you're not shooting on a 1 train a day line, go redo it right.

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The train is right of center, don't force it left and introduce a lot of garbage foliage on the right.

This is how I would save it for my PC. I think it is fine, but RP, I think, won't like this balance either.
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That won't get on. Ever.
Thanks, I think. But why?

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Sorry Paul, the hump is pretty cool, but the crop is just awkward and lacking.

I think you just missed the shot there. So since you're not shooting on a 1 train a day line, go redo it right.

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what is "right" per RP? BTW, this isn't a location that is close to where I work let alone live, so getting there isn't as easy as just going over there on a whim.
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[quote=pderekh;144158]Thanks, I think. But why?

Go read the submission guidelines and then take another look at that shot.

Basic stuff.
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Thanks, I think. But why?

Go read the submission guidelines and then take another look at that shot.

Basic stuff.
The part about not submitting wedgies or foreground clutter?
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The part about not submitting wedgies or foreground clutter?
Well lets see, the peak of the hump in the tracks is cutting off the front of the engine. The composition leaves a lot to be desired as well.

I do see you got a different version on, that one looks much better.
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Well lets see, the peak of the hump in the tracks is cutting off the front of the engine. The composition leaves a lot to be desired as well.

I do see you got a different version on, that one looks much better.
thanks-not a lot that can be done about the comp with coming over the hill on the track toward me.
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