Old 01-02-2011, 07:51 AM   #1
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For the most part I take my rejections and deal with it but this one is really bugging me. I'd really like to see this make it on here because it is my favorite paint scheme ever. Sure it might make it if I chop up the photo, but I feel like I'll be compromising the scenic effect of it I was going for. I really don't want to lose the water, or the framing of the trees. But I want to see how the photo looks to an outsider's point of view. Any suggestions on what the problem is with it?http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=591425180

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Old 01-02-2011, 08:17 AM   #2
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The cropping might be the least of your troubles. The sky is blown out and there are shadows on the locomotive.
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Boy thats just a hard spot to get a good photo and I think you did a good job for what you had to work with. Like Joe I don't think it is the right spot shadows alone will get a rejection.
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I'm also noticing some distortion on the bridge. Sort of distracting to me.

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Old 01-02-2011, 02:13 PM   #5
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I'm also noticing some distortion on the bridge. Sort of distracting to me.

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Looks to me the tracks are curved Chase.
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Like you guys have said, this was just a bad spot for a photograph. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use that angle for this spot, so when the sun came out I knew I wanted to give it a try. I was hoping the shadows would get a pass because of the creativity of the photo and the paint scheme. I guess all I can hope for is to try the shot again in the winter when there is nothing to make shadows on the train. That is easier said than done, as the W&LE hardly comes to Connellsville anymore. And usually it's at night. And yes, the bridge curves quite a bit.
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I have nights shots of them. Just nothing suitable to be on here.
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Looks to me the tracks are curved Chase.
Perhaps they're partially curved, but some of it is distortion. Notice how the left most bridge pier has a slight bend in it.

Not a big deal, I suppose.

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Like you guys have said, this was just a bad spot for a photograph.
Why?

Seems fine to me. My objection here is only the sky, which is horrible, especially since the sun came out, making the rest of the shot look decently lit and thus the sky seem well out of place.

But then one or two shadows on an engine in non-roster shot never bothers me much.

I'd just retake it on a nicer day.
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Perhaps they're partially curved, but some of it is distortion. Notice how the left most bridge pier has a slight bend in it.

Not a big deal, I suppose.

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Here's a shot from 30 years ago that shows the actual curve of the bridge, and also how much the vegetation has changed. http://chuckles103.rrpicturearchives...spx?id=1555051

About my shot, I suppose it's one best left on my other sites. I'll get a better chance one day.
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I gave this shot a try to see what I can do with it, but I can't seem to get that color just right. There's also some real bad lens distortion too.

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I gave this shot a try to see what I can do with it, but I can't seem to get that color just right. There's also some real bad lens distortion too.

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Really nice fix, Chris. The lighting and color in the original were very harsh, and I'm surprised you were able to sweeten it up that much without it being a RAW file to work with.
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The fix does look nice, but the sky is so solid and constant that it looks like one used a magic wand to select the sky, mask, and replace with a single color! I guess a cloudless blue sky looks that way.
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There's also some real bad lens distortion too.

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The fix does look nice, but the sky is so solid and constant that it looks like one used a magic wand to select the sky, mask, and replace with a single color! I guess a cloudless blue sky looks that way.
Well, I tried my magic on it and without breaking any rules (I would never suggest that anymore), I could not fix the sky. In fact if you try, there is actually some definition there if you REALLY push the levels, but it gets ugly fast. So I am not sure how you accomplished that. If I was to guess, you selected a color range and did a paintbucket of a color in there. There is actually a power line in there but it's so washed out you cant see it without really pushing. In your edit, all definition is lost.

EDIT: I am working on a non-rp.net edit now to show you the potential this location has. Like others, I think the location could definetly work given the right conditions and proper exposure...

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I was just trying to give PArailfan maybe some direction as to where he might be able to take his photo. I obviously couldn't do too much with it as I didn't have a lot to work with.

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Since I am waiting for the next football game to start and i had some free time, here is some quick photoshop work just to show the potential.

Disclaimer: you dont actually want to do this, as it would break the rules.



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I'm glad you guys were able to have some fun with the photo. Not bad at all, considering you didn't have the 5MB file to work with. Photoshop is the root of all evil in my opinion, so I'd never submit a photo that is altered like that anyways. The three photos I have got accepted on here, I really did very little to them at all.
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I forgot to level it.
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I'm glad you guys were able to have some fun with the photo. Not bad at all, considering you didn't have the 5MB file to work with. Photoshop is the root of all evil in my opinion, so I'd never submit a photo that is altered like that anyways. The three photos I have got accepted on here, I really did very little to them at all.
Photo altered like what? The gator or the proper processing?

And no, PS is not the root of all evil. People are the root of all evil. Goes along the same lines as "guns don't kill people..." if you get my drift.

Photoshop, when used properly, can CORRECT a badly exposed and colored image, as proven above.
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Troy,

The shadows on the engine are different than the shadows on the alligator head.. Hmmm..

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And no, PS is not the root of all evil. People are the root of all evil. Goes along the same lines as "guns don't kill people..." if you get my drift.

Photoshop, when used properly, can CORRECT a badly exposed and colored image, as proven above.
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The shadows on the engine are different than the shadows on the alligator head.. Hmmm..

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