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I am fascinated by occurrences like this - all submitted on the same day.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:54 AM   #2
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I am fascinated by occurrences like this - all submitted on the same day.
I'd like to visit somewhere that had that much traffic, but I would at least shoot
different angles. Lol
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:16 AM   #3
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Years ago, pre-digital, I ran into a person trackside who showed me his photo album, filled with prints of roster wedgies, engines, a few cars and then cutoff the rest of the train on the frame edge, precision engineered to be the proper 42.6 degree angle of attack on the nose, just the same shot over and over and over and over and is there a word limit for forum posts because it was the same shot over and over and over and over ...
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Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z....

The first shot was fine---but then, he should have moved off that rock he was sitting on and tried another angle, another focal length, another ANYTHING!

Also, and then to post three nearly identical shots to RP.net---all taken on the same day--is kind of pointless, is it not? Where's the expressiveness, creativity, and sense of artistic value?

Who cares about view counts? Either people like a shot, or they don't. If they do----whoopie! If not----ah sh_t.
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I am fascinated that over 200 people seemed to have looked at all three shots.
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Hardy, har har har - a real riot...

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Not only submitted on different days, showing different runs - but it's not even the same bridge.



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Would have been alright if they each had different power, but all of them have BNSF GEVO's leading, as Im sure every train out there does.
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I've never really been a fan of going to one spot, setting up a tripod and catching every train that passes by in the same location. Before I had my drivers license, I did end up doing that (and I believe I'm guilty of it on my railpictures pix), but for the most part, its BORING.
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I am fascinated by occurrences like this - all submitted on the same day.

Why didn't you share the other 10+ photos accepted for his Tehachapi trip?

If you set up for the morning shot at Warren and they were fleeting trains Eastbound, I bet you would take three-in-a-row also. The other locations west of this aren't well lit in winter until later on. Sounds like a clear case of "total views" envy to me.


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Why didn't you share the other 10+ photos accepted for his Tehachapi trip?

If you set up for the morning shot at Warren and they were fleeting trains Eastbound, I bet you would take three-in-a-row also.
Hold tight, HG, I got this. karldotcom, I'm sure we would all take those shots. I would anyway. HG's point is you don't have to upload them on the same day.
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Hold tight, HG, I got this. karldotcom, I'm sure we would all take those shots. I would anyway. HG's point is you don't have to upload them on the same day.
I was thinking HG's point is not the same-day uploading but rather, or at least in addition, that the same shot was taken 3 times.

I would absolutely love to see a fleeting of trains and would absolutely take shots of each, but I would certainly use my 15 minutes between trains, or whatever I had, to reposition and get a different shot.

EDIT: but karldotcom makes a valid point. The photographer does take a variety of shots. Perhaps on this day he just felt like chilling out at one location, set up in a chair, drink in easy reach, perhaps he didn't even feel much like getting up and walking around.

He does have two other repetitive pairs in his most recent 15, albeit for both pairs not taken on the same day. But still, I would not do it that way but then perhaps I don't have a location where I have gone as many times as he has gone to this one. On some days the eagerness for creativity just isn't there and it is just having fun trackside with trains.
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I am fascinated by occurrences like this - all submitted on the same day.
Worse than posting the same train, on the same day, at the same location, three days apart?

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Looking through mojavesubs' photo, its clear he is about quantity first. Thats fine, when I first discovered digital photography and this site, I remember being the same way.
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Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z....

Where's the expressiveness, creativity, and sense of artistic value?
Exactly! but, with DSLR's and the dummy buttons, photoshop, etc I think that old school way of shooting is going by the way side, it's "lets see how many shots we can upload and get accepted". That's why I'm getting a Brownie Target Six 20 and experience that for awhile. not that I upload a lot of shots, only 18 for 2012, but just to get that feeling, the experience of the way it was, to go out knowing your only going to have one shot at it. Does that make any sense Ron?
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Exactly! but, with DSLR's and the dummy buttons, photoshop, etc I think that old school way of shooting is going by the way side, it's "lets see how many shots we can upload and get accepted". That's why I'm getting a Brownie Target Six 20 and experience that for awhile. not that I upload a lot of shots, only 18 for 2012, but just to get that feeling, the experience of the way it was, to go out knowing your only going to have one shot at it. Does that make any sense Ron?
I'd actually say digital photography, photoshop and to a very large extent this website have had the exact OPPOSITE effect on railroad photography.

I remembering going to monthly slideshows at my local NRHS chapter growing up. At the time I thought the photos being shown were really great, but looking back, the vast majority of them weren't much better than questionable lit wedgies. Keep in mind that almost of these slideshows were put on by special invited guest brought in because their stuff was a good.

Then technology advanced to a point were it became extremely easy to share photos and ideas. Instead of maybe getting lucky and seeing a truly great photographer once a year at local slideshows, you could see people's entire body at work at will. I know that at least personally, the quality of railroad photography went dramatically up when after I found RP. I can also name off a whole of photographers on here would say the exact same thing.
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Would have been alright if they each had different power, but all of them have BNSF GEVO's leading, as Im sure every train out there does.
Everything heading into and out of the LA basin will have GEVO's on it.
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Why didn't you share the other 10+ photos accepted for his Tehachapi trip?
Because they are not almost exactly the same picture - just a change in focal length.


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If you set up for the morning shot at Warren and they were fleeting trains Eastbound, I bet you would take three-in-a-row also.
Not exactly the same picture - what is the point?

Were it the same shot with a UP consist, sure, I would do that.

It is like the most whored out photo site West of the Mississippi:

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I could be like the other sheep and take shots like this one each and every weekend and post them here - like some do.

But if you do some walking, one can get shots like this from the same stretch of track.

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The other locations west of this aren't well lit in winter until later on.
And that is a reason to take the same photo over and over again?

We all deal with that problem and there are places where you can only get a certain shot at a certain time a day for only 4-5 days twice a year.



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Sounds like a clear case of "total views" envy to me.
My response to your assertion stated in the simplest terms possible to avoid obfuscation - no.

With regard to these, I have no ax to grind.

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Worse than posting the same train, on the same day, at the same location, three days apart?

This is the one of the two that I would rather have in the DB, I just worked the other up first.

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Additionally, this train due to that unit leading falls into the "special" category such as:

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Exactly! but, with DSLR's and the dummy buttons, photoshop, etc I think that old school way of shooting is going by the way side, it's "lets see how many shots we can upload and get accepted".
Funny you should say that, because a couple of years ago a fellow contributor and I had gone for a while without getting any shots accepted (or a very low number accepted) so we discussed going to Cajon for an RP approved photo session.

While we still have still not done that, here is one of the images that I based the premise on - being that we should only take certain shots at certain angles and only from established photo spots.

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It took a grand total of 45 sec. to set up, compose and acquire this shot, and that included stopping the car and getting out, and it was accepted on the first pass.



This shot on the other hand took the better part of a day of thought as to where I needed to be when the train arrived and when I would need to be there and what gear I would need to have set up to capture the desired image.

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Exactly! but, with DSLR's and the dummy buttons, photoshop, etc I think that old school way of shooting is going by the way side, it's "lets see how many shots we can upload and get accepted". That's why I'm getting a Brownie Target Six 20 and experience that for awhile. not that I upload a lot of shots, only 18 for 2012, but just to get that feeling, the experience of the way it was, to go out knowing your only going to have one shot at it. Does that make any sense Ron?
Yes, it does. In the old days of film, you also had to add the element of a limited budget. You tended to crank off images as if they were golden coins, and you only had a few to spend.

Years later, I got a motor drive for my 35mm film camera, but still--you didn't roar through a 36-exposure roll of slide film in hopes of getting just one shot right. The best photographers tended to stick with the same film all the time, so you could learn its characteristics under certain lighting conditions. I used K64 for many years, and I rarely used the meter in the camera (or an incident hand held meter I had), but instead relied on my eyes and instincts to select an f-stop and shutter speed. And---of course there was no forgiveness in shooting slides. If you blew it a full stop---you just blew it. Bracketing where possible was an option. While negative film (for prints) was more forgiving, because of the negative to print process, which could correct some exposure errors, none of the "serious" railfan photographers ever shot negatives for prints (except for black and white work, which was a different matter altogether).
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Funny? What's really funny about all this is that somebody actually felt
the need to make a post about it. Was this really necessary? If you're
really annoyed by it then maybe you should be questioning the screeners instead? Ummm lets see, "photo is similar to one already previously uploaded" or whatever that lame reason is.

As a personal friend of Matt, the photographer of those images and known here as Mojavesub347.0, I can tell you that he's after quality as much as quantity with variety and different loctions. I was also with him last Saturday when those shots were taken. Getting 3 trains in a row at the same spot is definitely more of an exception than a rule with him,
and if you know the location at Warren, you'd know that there aren't a
whole lot of angles to choose from which are as satisfying as the one in
his photos above. Anyway, he's an excellent shooter, a respectable
railfan, and like myself more interested in quality action photography
than the artsy fartsy stuff. I think the little beef HG has should be
more with the screeners than with the photographer.

So Matt uploaded 3 similar and excellent shots from the same location
and all were accepted on the same day. More freaking power to him I say.

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Wow, Jim. You're really upset about some small GROUP of guys bitching and moaning about something they can't control. And it's not even your shots! Now that's funny.



Chill out, dude!
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It's the fact that he's a good friend and truly one of the better
shooters I know. It seemed you guys were getting the wrong idea about
his photography. And it's not like it's the first time somebody here has uploaded
multiple shots of different trains taken at the same location, same light, etc.
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Why doesn't he chime in?
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He's a fine photographer. Not sure anyone has said anything to the contrary.
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