Old 12-12-2011, 05:03 PM   #1
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So I've spent the weekend out trackside, but I'm running into a lot of rejects...

1- First up is a poor lighting reject. Does it really kill it?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=561124595

2- Then there is this one. Anything I can do?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=236160822

And then there are those two Bad Croppings:
3- http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=994568&key=0

4- http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1098178152

5- Finally, another poor lighting reject. Not much I can do, I suppose, but the words "nit picking" are coming to mind and I wanted to share.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=994515&key=0

As always, the usual helpfulness of fellow forumites is much appreciated!
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:22 PM   #2
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1) as you have it cropped, your primary subject tends to be the sign and the train is secondary. So poorly lit. Crop on the right and bottom, reduce the portion of the image in shadow, and it might fly.

2) I like it. I might prefer more sky and less foreground.

3) 4) no thoughts

5) I really dislike that RP turns the half-dark-nose shots away, pointless.
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1.) There's a really good shot in there somewhere. My first thought is to wonder if you have a later frame when the train is further out on the bridge. It would get that tree and sign further back on the train. As for the Poor Lighting, I see it more as a Bad Color or Underexposed more than anything. Meaning with better processing to make the image pop more, I think there is a chance.

2.) I think the reject is legit as stated. Makes me wonder if I'm supposed to lok at the hotel or the train.

3.) 4.) Both are way too in your face. Not a fan.

5.) I could go either way on the reject. Maybe nit picking slightly, but maybe a more scenic shot that includes more than just a wedgie, gtes in with the same lighting.
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Thanks for the comments, guys.

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3.) 4.) Both are way too in your face. Not a fan.
Do you think they would work better RP-wise with a looser crop? I have plenty of space to work with on either.
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On number one, try to pull some of the blue off the snow. I like number four but my name is Anthony not RP! good luck
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5.) I could go either way on the reject. Maybe nit picking slightly, but maybe a more scenic shot that includes more than just a wedgie, gtes in with the same lighting.
Like this one? http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=14733
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I cropped a bit right, bottom, left. I brought up the shadows a lot, +55 in PSE. And I increased exposure just a bit on the signs and foreground snow.

An example of what can be done, not necessarily the right answer.
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here is what I came up with. Color cast remover on snow. Then, played with shadows and highlights and brightness and contrast.
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1) I really like it as-is. Perhaps pull the shadows up a bit, though I wouldn't go up quite as much as Janusz did. It seems to me that shadows can trend towards blue under certain lighting conditions, I wouldn't adjust the colour cast too much myself.

2) I'd also suggest more sky and less foreground.

3) A bit too square? Maybe a little off the left and bottom, and do you have any more of the pole line on the right?

4) No idea... maybe a tad more on the top?

5) May I suggest this?

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One down!

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Gotta let 2 go. That's as much sky as I have. Oh well, better luck next time.

I'm letting 4 go as well... Can't seem to get anything I'm happy with. I'll retry this location sometime. It's hard to frame a train doing 90+ mph around a curve, and I really did a sloppy job this time.

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here is what I came up with. Color cast remover on snow. Then, played with shadows and highlights and brightness and contrast.
No. That's way too red.
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1) as you have it cropped, your primary subject tends to be the sign and the train is secondary. So poorly lit. Crop on the right and bottom, reduce the portion of the image in shadow, and it might fly.

2) I like it. I might prefer more sky and less foreground.

3) 4) no thoughts

5) I really dislike that RP turns the half-dark-nose shots away, pointless.
I think I agree with all these points. None of the shots are unacceptable, so these rejections are all borderline nit-picky. I think they could all be salvaged, but too much manipulation is just caving in to the nit-picking. It's your opinion vs. someone else---but it's their call in the end.
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While there is nothing wrong with this shot, I would MUCH rather look at that bridge shot any day over this. I don't understand the cloudy/common rejection of the bridge shot. It looks fantastic to me. Maybe a little tighter crop and improved processing to make it pop, but the scene and train are great.
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^^ I completely agree with Mr. Level. The bridge picture is very good - good location, interesting power.
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I'm with Jim, Mr. Pick, and Joe. I'd be tempted to appeal the bridge shot and point out that the engine is not in shadow. Also, I wouldn't worry about the blue cast to the snow in the forground - it is in shadow after all. The clouds and the snow in the background are white, so I don't think your color is off. And what's the worst they can do on appeal - reject it? For what it's worth, you can mention in the appeal that several forum members like it.

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5. Selected shadowed area of photo.
6. Adjusted levels in just that area.
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While there is nothing wrong with this shot, I would MUCH rather look at that bridge shot any day over this. I don't understand the cloudy/common rejection of the bridge shot. It looks fantastic to me. Maybe a little tighter crop and improved processing to make it pop, but the scene and train are great.
I agree, Jim, but I love to shoot all sorts of locations, and have no problem with the occasional wedgie, althought if you look at my photostream, you will see much less wedgies in the first page than in the last.

I'm not letting this one go just yet.

Thanks for the help guys, I'm retrying the bridge shot tonight.
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Well, that wasn't so hard, was it?

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Very happy to see that one made it on. I made it a favorite. Really nice shot.
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Well, that wasn't so hard, was it?
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