Old 12-11-2013, 05:25 PM   #1
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I know its just a boring GEVO shot but can someone explain whats going on here?

It was rejected initially for High Sun, which I thought was just an honest mistake so I appealed but then the appeal got rejected! WTF?

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I am missing something or has HIgh Sun been redefined to anything other than dawn or dusk?

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Old 12-11-2013, 05:30 PM   #2
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The shadows of the grab irons and numberboards don't lie. That said, it looks pretty good, and the trucks are nice and lit.

Try again in a week.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:32 PM   #3
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To my eye it's an overly picky rejection, but it is high sun. The side of the track is fine, but the font of the locomotive has high-sun shadows.

My guess is this would have gotten in with a different screener or even with the same screener on a different day. It is really "barely" high sun. That being said, I don't think you get in on an appeal in a case like this because the original call, no matter how picky, was legit.
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To my eye it's an overly picky rejection, but it is high sun. The side of the track is fine, but the font of the locomotive has high-sun shadows.

My guess is this would have gotten in with a different screener or even with the same screener on a different day. It is really "barely" high sun. That being said, I don't think you get in on an appeal in a case like this because the original call, no matter how picky, was legit.
I like the shot personally, but I have to agree.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:28 PM   #5
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Thanks guys for the input!

I feel like this is one of those cusp things. Like when on a widebody shot, when the nose is only half-lit, being right on the cusp of not being considered lit on the nose.


I'll try again later, just for fun.

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Old 12-11-2013, 07:31 PM   #6
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I also think a factor to consider is how much one negative aspect of an image is really taking away from it overall. The grab iron / numberboard / plow shadow is apparent but not really much of a distractor and doesn't break the shot.

I've seen much higher sun stuff get on that also looked good.

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Old 12-11-2013, 07:43 PM   #7
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I think the shadows on the plow are more indicative of whether this would be accepted or not - it is close, and I have shots like this that are in the DB.

Problem is that it is a common wedgie of a GEVO, so they aren't cutting you any slack."

On the other hand, if this was some type of "gizz your pants" type of shot, or the photo was taken by Mitch, than I think it would probably be allowed in.

BTW - the way to avoid this problem is to shoot more of a side shot to decrease the shadow on the front.

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Old 12-11-2013, 07:59 PM   #8
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I"m with Charles.

Resubmit in a month.
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I think this is one of those cases where the refs come back and say, "The ruling on the field stands." Which in the NFL means, simply, there wasn't enough evidence to over turn. Also, this is a case where a generic "Poor Lighting" rejection might carry more weight than " Poor Lighting (High Sun): The angle of the sunlight is too high, a common problem in the summer months of year on mid-day shots." Because then all anyone sees is "High Sun" andnot "Poor Lighting."

Also, do you have a shot where the train is closer to being under the signals? That would have been more interesting and might -- MIGHT __ have earned you some leeway.
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I hear you guys. Thanks again.


Joe, I do not have a photo like that from that day but its an easily repeatable shot!


I more brought this subject up to kind of feel out what everyone thought about the rejection than to really try to get this one on.


Also, I find it interesting that with appeals that it isn't just a clean slate re-screen but more of looking at the original rejection and seeing if the other screener was wrong. I guess with "appeal" that makes sense and if I wanted a fresh screen I could just reupload.



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Make some kind of adjustment before you reload. Trim it a little, lighten the plow, something so that it's not an uncorrected reload.
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Joe, I do not have a photo like that from that day but its an easily repeatable shot!
If you do go out to repeat it, around 9am is probably the best time according to the SunCalc site:

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It's kind of nit picky to me too, but it is technically a legit reject
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Make some kind of adjustment before you reload. Trim it a little, lighten the plow, something so that it's not an uncorrected reload.
What he said ^
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No, tell them that is the back of the train and see if they will give you a "going away" rejection.
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Ask this guy what he told the screener

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I hear you guys. Thanks again. Davis

See, if it is something odd, then you can have shadows all over the front and it don't matter.

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Now that's just wrong. The OP's photo is way more interesting than this.
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