Old 12-09-2013, 03:28 AM   #26
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You guys care way to much about being "well received" and Favorited and commented on. I don't understand that. I have seen some real crap get "well received."
What guys? The point was simply that the "risk" to RP in accepting a shot similar to one that many viewers and patrons found appeal with should be rather low.

Now had the original variation (featuring a completely different subject) in a near identical setting have been poorly received, that would lend credence to admin for not willing to accept another.

Incidentally, I think you are thinking about FB as far as "real crap" being well received. Commentary and "liking" is rather limited on RP and typically reserved for a handful shots per week. I do find it odd, however, that RP patrons will comment and "like" linked images on FB while the same images on RP appear to fall flat in viewer interest.

The ability to search and the permanence of RP has appeal that does not exist for me on a site like FB - where the applaud overflows for those that dwell on it. Not that it's a bad thing... I doubt anyone here hopes their images see "0" favoriting and "0" comments. That would be like showing your images to a silent audience at a railfan show.

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Old 12-09-2013, 04:19 AM   #27
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:19 AM   #28
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Admin knows best - the first was rejected also.

'Course, the viewing audience are all idiots.

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I think the one that was accepted is visually quite appealing...but the second one doesn't do as much for me. I think it's the composition...but that's just me, I guess.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:23 AM   #29
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Incidentally, I think you are thinking about FB as far as "real crap" being well received. Commentary and "liking" is rather limited on RP and typically reserved for a handful shots per week. I do find it odd, however, that RP patrons will comment and "like" linked images on FB while the same images on RP appear to fall flat in viewer interest.

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I don't know why, Mitch, but I seldom check a shot as "Favorited," and never, ever cast a vote for PCA. I just don't--but I have no explanation as to why I don't. I view RP.net almost every day, and I see several shots I like. I do post comments, though.

I wouldn't place any credence in FB as being a place where you can find great photography. It's mostly a just-for-fun site. I put all kinds of crap on my page (well....that's not entirely true; I don't upload really bad shots, at least intentionally).
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:43 AM   #30
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I think the one that was accepted is visually quite appealing...but the second one doesn't do as much for me. I think it's the composition...but that's just me, I guess.
That's just the thing, Ron - the one that WAS accepted was originally REJECTED. Everyone seems to like the first one yet I have a sneaking suspicion that had I originated a thread back in 2007, I'd likely have heard all
the same reasons as to why it too was rejected with merit.

Composition? While Charles's suggestion to re-crop the shot was insightful, it is after all, a shot documenting a scene that at the time was no different then any one of a million wreck shots accepted routinely on RP. I just do not understand why the extra scrutiny, or the reasons for the free pass on other shots. I have to assume that admin could not see through the fact that the point of the shot was to document an abandonment vs shoot a unobstructed first ever on RP EBT steel box car. Again - with Charles's suggestion, however, I suppose I could re-submit it less to document the scene and more to present a scene of "art". Could you imagine if the same applied to all wreck shots? If not, why not? At least there'd be some consistency around here.

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Old 12-10-2013, 10:50 AM   #31
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I don't know why, Mitch, but I seldom check a shot as "Favorited," and never, ever cast a vote for PCA. I just don't--but I have no explanation as to why I don't. I view RP.net almost every day, and I see several shots I like. I do post comments, though.
I only favorite shots I really like, or want to come back to easily. That's for me. I comment and select PC's quite often - to me, that's "payment" for service rendered. It's the equivalent of applaud from me for those presenting their better images in this virtual slide show. Just imagine showing your pics from RP at a gathering and no one claps nor comments afterward on any of them, instead they see your show and just walk out of the auditorium.

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PS - After said performance at said show above - would you return to do more shows on the assumption no one cared?
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:12 AM   #32
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THIS is acceptable and the kind of image RP would like in it's database:

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THIS is unacceptable, unappealing and definitely NOT the kind of image that RP finds acceptable to include within it's database:



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The first shot can tell a story. The 2nd shot looks like some grab shot you put no thought and effort into. The composition sucks too
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:47 PM   #33
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The first shot can tell a story.
And yet it was also rejected originally.

Your logic "sucks".

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At what point do you get over a shot being rejected that is later accepted?
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At what point do you get over a shot being rejected that is later accepted?
Let's see, Joe - it's been 6 years since I've even mentioned it. I brought it up to validate a point related to the topic. The adults provided some insight and the kids got a chance to get their shitty jabs in. I think we're done.

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Mitch;

You're becoming more Troy than Troy.
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Mitch;

You're becoming more Troy than Troy.
I love the fact that Troy has now become an adjective.
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I love the fact that Troy has now become an adjective.
Hey, a certain blue was once named after Mr. Hinson: "Joe Blue."

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Mitch;

You're becoming more Troy than Troy.
Come on now, I can let my shots go...
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I think Mitch takes other's opinions more personally than anyone on here
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Actually Mitch is one of the fairest and easiest going gents I've met on these threads. I think the pushing back has been a tad out of line.
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Old 12-12-2013, 02:09 PM   #42
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Mitch is like Don Quixote tilting at windmills. Keep tilting Don!!
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Mitch, why don't you just put it on flickr and move on to the next shot?
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Mitch, why don't you just put it on flickr and move on to the next shot?
Let's say your friends frequent a restaurant that had been a favorite of yours but you've noticed quality and good service are sporadic at best. In fact, the last few times you were there, you found a fly in your soup, brought it to attention of management and they couldn't care less. This despite being a regular patron for years. Your friends remember the sight of other insects in their food, but it's been a while. The fly is still fresh in my mind. And I'm actually wondering how many flies I'm willing to encounter before I find a new restaurant. Kind of wondering why my friends still frequent this "restaurant", but they do. On the other hand, many have long since found new venues but I think they still look through the window when they pass this one, lol. "Hey... is that Steve Crise? Steve!, c'mon in - you don't have to stay long! So tell me... how's the old gang?"

Unfortunately - to quote Jim Gaffigan, it seems RP could be my McDonalds, lol.


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Flies are high in protein. Roaches on the other hand... no thx
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Mitch, why don't you just eat at both restaurants? Variety tastes better anyway.
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Using your analogy Mitch, I think the decision you need to make is whether you like the atmosphere here enough to continue patronizing it, because at this point you sure ain't here for the food.

Moreover, another consideration would be your love of flies - because you must love them since most people would never some back after the first fly.

The question that needs answering is whether these guys serve up the type of flies and in the quantity that you have come to know and love, or can you indulge your fly requirements else where?

If RP can give you enough tasty flies, then great, stay.

If they can't, then perhaps there is a pond move in your future.

It is really up to you.

BTW - Ribbet....

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It's kind of amazing. I used to go on and on about the inconsistency of acceptance and rejection on RP.net. I foamed at the mouth at times (or nearly) with all sorts of comments posted here (but, always short of being banned...). But, it's amazing how much I've chilled out now. I must have uploaded about 40 or 50 shots---all accepted---since I've had a rejection. Of course, most of the shots are pretty decent, plus I continue to hone my Photoshop skills to pull more from a shot (usually an old 35mm slide). Also, I self-edit more than I ever did. I've screwed around with some shots for quite a while before deciding it's not good enough.

Maybe it's because I'm an old man. Maybe it's because the doctor changed some of my medication. Maybe my life priorities changed. I don't know...but it doesn't bother me any more.

Life's good.

PS: I still reserve the right to throw a shit fit if something doesn't go my way...
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:21 AM   #49
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My goodness. Just after I keyed in that last message, I noticed this. I'm sure fame, money and offers of sex from loose women will follow shortly....

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Maybe you simply realized the futility of trying to make a good site great.

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