Old 01-28-2015, 12:29 AM   #1
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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/01/...-wake-up-call/

This apparently involved alcohol, a very late night, and a quad-copter that belonged to a friend. Now, the Feds are all discussing the "what-could-have-beens", to include dispersal of chemical weapons, bombs, remote controlled firing of airborne firearms.

If one wanted to bring on onerous Federal regulation, I can't imagine a better way to get the process started.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:36 AM   #2
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Those regulations already exist as I understand it at certain National Parks. The White House is already a TFR/no-fly zone so new regs aren't going to change anything...
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Those regulations already exist as I understand it at certain National Parks. The White House is already a TFR/no-fly zone so new regs aren't going to change anything...
It's not so much The White House.... it is illegal to fly ANY UAS/UAV system within 15 miles of DCA. Obviously, there are procedures for DOD and other federal agencies to be granted waivers.

That being said, the individual responsible for this also works for the NGA, and self reported because of their security clearance. I suspect they'll be looking for a new job very soon, as their clearance is almost surely going to be yanked.

That being said, the FAA is supposed to be releasing new regulations governing the use of these remote control pests very soon. It's widely expected that they will at a minimum allow private property owners to restrict operation of them in their airspace. That would mean the railroads would be well within their rights to tell people, "Not over our tracks, yards or trains."

At the minimum, operators of these things should be required to carry professional liability insurance and I'd even go so far as to suggest a license to operate them if not operated at a registered hobby site.
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That being said, the FAA is supposed to be releasing new regulations governing the use of these remote control pests very soon. It's widely expected that they will at a minimum allow private property owners to restrict operation of them in their airspace. That would mean the railroads would be well within their rights to tell people, "Not over our tracks, yards or trains."
They already do that for common trespassing, but that doesn't stop anyone from trespassing in the middle of nowhere.
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I've seen a number of comments elsewhere threatening to shoot down any drone "trespassing" over their private property.
Obviously one's property rights end at some height. What would that altitude be?
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Obviously one's property rights end at some height. What would that altitude be?
However high one can effectively shoot.

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Obviously one's property rights end at some height. What would that altitude be?
Property owners have air rights below and to LSALT (Lowest Safe Altitude), US Government dictates everything above it. Generally LSALT is 1000 feet above highest terrain (mountains, antennae, buildings, etc.).

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Those regulations already exist as I understand it at certain National Parks. The White House is already a TFR/no-fly zone so new regs aren't going to change anything...
Yes, the Park Service does have a prohibition against UAS on Park Service land and the DC SFRA does prohibit all manner of types of "flight" operations (including UAS, model rockets, etc.) within 30 NM of DC. Clearly, none of that had a deterrent effect, probably because the average person who purchases one of these things has no knowledge of FARs, nor are they required to receive any sort of awareness training.

Look for that to change.
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The other part of this story that most haven't heard yet is that the DJI in question was borrowed from another person. They were at an apartment party and had been drinking most of the night when they decided to fly it around in the living room.

At some point, someone thought it would be a fantastic idea to go ahead and open up the sliding glass door and just fly it around from the balcony. During that process, the drone lost communication with the remote because the remote's battery went dead.

They called the owner of the drone and told them what happened, but realized finding it at night while drunk, it was probably a lost cause. They didn't find out where the drone ended up until after they woke up the next day and saw the news.
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I knew quad-ding was on its way out when I heard about the White House, but as soon as government officials see this back yard video, it will really be toast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0zLHLMBVw#t=77
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I knew quad-ding was on its way out when I heard about the White House, but as soon as government officials see this back yard video, it will really be toast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0zLHLMBVw#t=77
Yup, the government is going to crap their pants because average citizens have figured out how to make one of their secret weapons.
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