Old 06-22-2016, 08:05 PM   #1
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:09 PM   #2
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Train is too high in the frame.
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Train is too high in the frame.
I agree, would work better with train at bottom of frame; the track curving at left doesn't do anything for me. The other option would be to submit a frame of the train closer to you, on the curve (if you have such a photo).
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I wouldn't have cut off the outside tracks.


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I agree, would work better with train at bottom of frame; the track curving at left doesn't do anything for me. The other option would be to submit a frame of the train closer to you, on the curve (if you have such a photo).
I do have that but with the angle of the sun at the time the trucks are in the shadows which I figured would be an instant rejection. I will try a re-crop and move the engine to the lower right of the frame. Should I still try to keep the signal in the photo?
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Catch 22: Crop off the right and someone's going to pipe up "Oh, look at all the dead space on the left."
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:29 AM   #7
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I would agree with Kent about the right track; I think you would have better shot with it with the engine on the left side of the image.

As it is, the attached is my take on the strongest composition. I tried to keep the signal but I couldn't figure out a way.

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Wished you had some more on top to play with, but I'd center the huritage unit, keep the signal, and the hell with what RP wants.

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I like Loyd's crop, keeping the signal is important and the crop makes good use of the rails as leading lines instead of just foreground distractions.
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Next they will nail you for over sharpening. Looks like some heatwave action.
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Wished you had some more on top to play with, but I'd center the huritage unit, keep the signal, and the hell with what RP wants.

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I got more up top, of the picture that is. Maybe the heritage factor will allow me to be more centered, eh?
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Next they will nail you for over sharpening. Looks like some heatwave action.
Definite heatwave action as the temp was around 85F that afternoon.
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I got more up top, of the picture that is. Maybe the heritage factor will allow me to be more centered, eh?
All they can do is reject it again if not.

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I guess it can be a trap trying to out guess the screening process, at least start like mentioned with what you prefer. I really like the whole photo, the way the yellow pops etc but it does seem not natural to be so tight on the top. Sometimes I find it good just to start over with a different shot in the sequence to give the screening a "new" look??

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I am thinking of submitting this re-crop. Hopefully that will be acceptable.

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I am thinking of submitting this re-crop. Hopefully that will be acceptable.
My view is your version needs a bit off the right and top.
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I am thinking of submitting this re-crop. Hopefully that will be acceptable.

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FWIW, I think that's much better. I tried recropping your original submittal, and couldn't come up with something that didn't put the nose in the center of the frame, so I had nothing to suggest beyond what the others had to say. Having more image available to the right gets any dead space on that side, where the signal and box break it up a little.
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My view is your version needs a bit off the right and top.
Looking at it after submitting my last post, I agree.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:59 PM   #19
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...08&key=8585027

Well I can take a little off the top and right since I can have to correct a sharpness issue. Hey J?... how much do you think I can lop off before I am back to getting a Comp/Rule of 1/3 rejection??

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More! Don't obsess about literal rule of thirds. Rule of thirds is a guideline. The underlying issues are balance and interest. Balance, in that one is looking for a placement that isn't too far "off." Interest, in that for many subjects, centered is not so interesting compared to away from center a bit. Here, you have so little going on right and, to a lesser extent, top, that the right side in particular, beyond the signal, doesn't carry any compositional weight. Dead space, to put it differently, which is a reflection not only of the space itself but of how that space fits with the rest. I would take a little more off the right. The tree trunks at the top, and the line separating the nearby trees from the distant trees, mean the top has a bit more oomph.

But ultimately it is a matter of taste. And, of course, no matter what you do, its high sun. Good luck!
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They don't want it. Moving on. Thanks for the insights and suggestions.

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They don't want it. Moving on. Thanks for the insights and suggestions.

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Odd, I've seen many images accepted with heatwave distortion.
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The other option would be to submit a frame of the train closer to you, on the curve (if you have such a photo).
I was afraid this was gonna happen but I tried anyhow. I explained in the notes that the time was 1720. The screener must just look for rail shadow and that's that. Oh well it was worth a try.

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I was afraid this was gonna happen but I tried anyhow. I explained in the notes that the time was 1720. The screener must just look for rail shadow and that's that. Oh well it was worth a try.

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The lighting does look unusually harsh for 1720. Did you recover quite a bit of shadows?
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I was afraid this was gonna happen but I tried anyhow. I explained in the notes that the time was 1720. The screener must just look for rail shadow and that's that. Oh well it was worth a try.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...92&key=1089736
This shot needs a touch of "candyland" IMO. Especially the VGN yellow that looks pale and overexposed.
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