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Its just not a good shot, composition, lighting, or angle wise.
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Sorry to say, Ian... but this one is for the personal collection.

It is a roster shot only. There is no rainy day/snowy day allowance on roster shots (unless they were taken a long time ago, are of something brand new and rare that is not yet in the database, or have some artistic element to them (which by definition, a roster shot doesn't have - so that last point is a bit of a tagent).

That being said, how could you make the shot better? I would suggest elevation. The biggest problem here is the dirty sheet rock sky. It's utterly unappealing. If you were able to shoot down, you could elminate that and get a more interesting image.

It's a cool capture, and a cool engine, and if were standing there, I would certainly have shot it myself. But it's not right for this site.
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I saw this unit in Roanoke when I was there in October and wondered what it was. I could not get a good shot of it because it was partially blocked by some other stuff, and a fence.

Not a good shot.
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Yep Not what they want on here. There is no art to it.
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Agreed. Not much here that makes it a good photo. Another Railroad Archives candidate. Why did you shoot it like that? You would've been better off to do a wedge, including the caboose (or other railcar to the right).. Instead, you did a bad angle overcast roster shot of it. Nothing real good there.

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The reason snow shots are allowed is (presumably) because they add an element of drama and struggle to a photo - Railroad verses nature. On a roster shot, it just obscures what you're looking at.
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Power lines, typical angle, all that bad stuff. Personally, I like any train shot in the snow. It should get views if you put it on Railroadpicturearchives.net.
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Its just not a good shot, composition, lighting, or angle wise.
All right, i have plenty other angels

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Sorry to say, Ian... but this one is for the personal collection.

It is a roster shot only. There is no rainy day/snowy day allowance on roster shots (unless they were taken a long time ago, are of something brand new and rare that is not yet in the database, or have some artistic element to them (which by definition, a roster shot doesn't have - so that last point is a bit of a tagent).

That being said, how could you make the shot better? I would suggest elevation. The biggest problem here is the dirty sheet rock sky. It's utterly unappealing. If you were able to shoot down, you could elminate that and get a more interesting image.

It's a cool capture, and a cool engine, and if were standing there, I would certainly have shot it myself. But it's not right for this site.
Completely understandable, I did not come un-prepared and did shoot quite a few angels.

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Agreed. Not much here that makes it a good photo. Another Railroad Archives candidate. Why did you shoot it like that? You would've been better off to do a wedge, including the caboose (or other railcar to the right).. Instead, you did a bad angle overcast roster shot of it. Nothing real good there.

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The reason snow shots are allowed is (presumably) because they add an element of drama and struggle to a photo - Railroad verses nature. On a roster shot, it just obscures what you're looking at.
All right, I understand, live and learn works in this case. Will keep that in mind for next time.

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I see, now the poles, I had 0 control over that, no matter what the angle was.
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Grumpy’s World - Roster Shots:

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I would take some of what he says with a grain of salt however.
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Agreed. Not much here that makes it a good photo. Another Railroad Archives candidate. Why did you shoot it like that? You would've been better off to do a wedge, including the caboose (or other railcar to the right).. Instead, you did a bad angle overcast roster shot of it. Nothing real good there.

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That being said, both the shots suck, snowy days are not for roster shots.
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Thanks for the link... I used to love reading Grumpy but had stopped at some point, and then completely lost the link and had no idea he was still posting (or had started again).

My only issue with the blog in general is that he is so particular that he, in a sense, ruins some of my own shots for me, because i know he would reject them. Living in an urban area, for example, garbarge, telephone poles, and billboards are not possible to avoid. They just have to be worked into the shot.

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All right, i have plenty other angels

Completely understandable, I did not come un-prepared and did shoot quite a few angels.

I have a wedge.
Forget the trains... let's see some of those angels. I'm confused by the last line, however... are you golfing with the divine messengers? (Sorry... all in good fun... )

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That being said, both the shots suck, snowy days are not for roster shots.
Well... um wow... I am a loss there. Those images completely undermine my entire post (although I stand by it, and Ween will surely have some more fun with it). Still... not my flavor and I wouldn't recommend heavy snowfall roster shots.
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Thanks for the link... I used to love reading Grumpy but had stopped at some point, and then completely lost the link and had no idea he was still posting (or had started again).

My only issue with the blog in general is that he is so particular that he, in a sense, ruins some of my own shots for me, because i know he would reject them. Living in an urban area, for example, garbarge, telephone poles, and billboards are not possible to avoid. They just have to be worked into the shot.

Still, really great reading.
Grumpy comes and goes. He has always had a habit of randomly disappearing and then reemerging after a hiatus. He is exceptionally picky and that often makes for some great reads. However, I can only take so much negativity before I get bored with it. He's has some really good advice as long as you read with the proper understanding of who is writing it.
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That being said, both the shots suck, snowy days are not for roster shots.
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Sure, they're not the greatest photos, in terms of composition and uniqueness, but I find it a bit wrong to say they suck. The quality, color, and contrast is fine. You can not tell me that Ians' photo looks better than that. Compare the quality.. There is a noticeable difference.

The difference is that mine is a DSLR while Ian shoots with a P&S. That is why I submit the occasional roster, especially on older stuff. From a quality standpoint, mine are flawless. As you know, I'm still more of a creative scene
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Thats pretty cocky.
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Sure, they're not the greatest photos, in terms of composition and uniqueness, but I find it a bit wrong to say they suck. The quality, color, and contrast is fine. You can not tell me that Ians' photo looks better than that. Compare the quality.. There is a noticeable difference.

The difference is that mine is a DSLR while Ian shoots with a P&S. That is why I submit the occasional roster, especially on older stuff. From a quality standpoint, mine are flawless. As you know, I'm still more of a creative scene
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You know better than to submit shots like that, I did not say Ians was better, I think they are both pretty bad, to say your shot is flawless is quite a huge overstatement, its something that could have easily been taken on a sunny day and would have looked much better. The huge expanse of white sky above the units doesnt help either The kind of camera has nothing to do with it.
This is a better example of how to shoot stationary power in the snow, the accumulation of the snow on the unit makes it an interesting shot, the best part was it was taken with a 150 dollar point and shoot.
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In your shot the snow is more of an obstruction rather than a compositional element. I wouldve rejected for obstructing objects, and bad lighting, theres nothing artistic about a roster in the snow, and the snow makes it a bad roster as well.
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My only issue with the blog in general is that he is so particular that he, in a sense, ruins some of my own shots for me, because i know he would reject them. Living in an urban area, for example, garbarge, telephone poles, and billboards are not possible to avoid. They just have to be worked into the shot.
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If I've ever read this Grumpy, it must have been a long time ago. But if he say one should avoid shooting poles and billboards, I have to disagree. I like to shoot anything that "places" the shot and if you're in an urban dwelling, those things are part of the setting. Honestly, I kinda wish I could get more billboards in some of my shots.
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If I've ever read this Grumpy, it must have been a long time ago. But if he say one should avoid shooting poles and billboards, I have to disagree. I like to shoot anything that "places" the shot and if you're in an urban dwelling, those things are part of the setting. Honestly, I kinda wish I could get more billboards in some of my shots.

Come visit LA, Joe... At some point in time both the ATSF and SP seem to have sold the rights to place billboards along all of their lines that are visible from local streets. There are some lines where it's just crazy.

I noted trackside billboards in Houtson, when visiting there too.
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Sure, they're not the greatest photos, in terms of composition and uniqueness, but I find it a bit wrong to say they suck. The quality, color, and contrast is fine. You can not tell me that Ians' photo looks better than that. Compare the quality.. There is a noticeable difference.

The difference is that mine is a DSLR while Ian shoots with a P&S. That is why I submit the occasional roster, especially on older stuff. From a quality standpoint, mine are flawless. As you know, I'm still more of a creative scene
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Not calling you out Chase, just saying.

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That second quote is me, not Chase.

Ian, did you get a shot with the unit and caboose reflected in the puddle?
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@Joe, He was talking especially about rosters.

@Chase, to say those are "technically flawless" is an extreme overstatement. What should be obvious to you is the extremely blown-out sky. Your statement misses the mark. EDIT: I personally like them, but as far as rosters, they suck.
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I love some of these shots that I guess Grumpy would disapprove of --

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Ah, that does make sense, since this thread is mostly about rosters. I felt the sudden need to defend poles and billboards.

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