Old 01-04-2011, 02:43 AM   #1
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I can't seem to get these type of shots right. Is there some special filter or settings that I need to use to capture this correctly? There is a CSX ballast train in the bottom in each of these shots. It shows up if I completely overexpose the RAW file, but it's pure noise by that time. Maybe I was too far away from the subject?

Or is there some special process to get the train out, like dodging and burning? Layering? Suggestions?

The silhouette is of a Carbon Black plant in Tuscola, Il.

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Old 01-04-2011, 03:21 AM   #2
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Would have zoomed in/walked closer. Start off by exposing for the sun and/or sunlight. I personally over expose these sort of shots, I can always tone down in post processing. And don't forget you can bring out the shadows a little bit also. But if you're trying for a silouhette you really need the train to be definitive. You're telling me where the train is and I still can't tell where it is. Get closer/zoom and maybe try a lower angle against the sun.

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The foreground is black. The train is not being silhouetted against the sky. What do you want it to look like, other than three points of light in a sea of darkness?

Do you have any examples of RP pictures that are doing what you are trying to do? I am having trouble figuring out where you are going with this.
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I can't cite any examples. I was looking to try something different, but maybe to no avail. I thought that maybe there was some sort of process or something to get the train out. I thought about dodging it in, but thought maybe someone knows something about it. Just a shot in the dark.

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Just a shot in the dark.
Correct, but not in the way you meant when you wrote the sentence.
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The silhouette is of a Carbon Black plant in Tuscola, Il.

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The foreground is black.
He must have run out of that glowing ballast from his other Tuscola shot.
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I can't cite any examples. I was looking to try something different, but maybe to no avail. I thought that maybe there was some sort of process or something to get the train out. I thought about dodging it in, but thought maybe someone knows something about it. Just a shot in the dark.

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First off the sun sky is over exposed and to high up yet. Best to have some clouds to cut the amount of light and hold some color. Put the sun behind something like Clouds, Train, or vary high humidity. Examples

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If I understand what you're after, then you want to keep the sunrise as is and gain detail in the forground?

You have a few choices.

1) expose for the shadows and highlights and blend the two exposures together

2) use graduated neutral density filters to balance the exposure

3) shoot B&W film and develop the film accordingly
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