Why EMD > GE

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by trainboysd40

[...]and if you ever get the chance to pull the throttle to notch 8 with a unit putting out full horsepower, there's a damn good chance you're going to
A: Break a knuckle
B: Slip until your wheels have melted into the rail.

I haven't broken a knuckle and I've ran many o' GE's that were putting out a drawbar-breaking 1600 amps...

I still love his reasoning why he loves EMD's... Every EMD I saw today was filthy, burnt up and it sounded like a swarm of bees attacking you.

[coborn35]

Tell MN Commerical GE's suck!

This is like a Chevy vs Ford debate.
"Fords always break down on the road!" Funny, mine didnt today.
"Chevys suck!" Why? "They arent Fords!"

You cant reason with stupid people. I would insult Daniel, but that would be like taking candy from a ba... well, Daniel.

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by coborn35

Tell MN Commerical GE's suck!

They might agree, since their ALCO's are f-ing badass.

But, GE's suck coming from the guy who runs them everyday then when I want to go take photos its a damn parade of orange GE's... (Although I did see a half dozen EMD's today!)

[stlgevo51]

Actually, if you really want to pull something, or want something fun to shoot, all you need is one of these:

PhotoID: Photograph ©

Don't get me wrong, I like EMDs and GEs. But nothing compares to a class A, especially in looks and noise!

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by stlgevo51

Actually, if you really want to pull something, or want something fun to shoot, all you need is one of these:

Don't get me wrong, I like EMDs and GEs. But nothing compares to a class A, especially in looks and noise!

I could get my Dash 9's to smoke like that!!!

[stlgevo51]

Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

I could get my Dash 9's to smoke like that!!!

I bet you could with those cool ALCOs on the MN Commercial (and the A&M, I've got to get down there!) as well.

"GE's sound like they are going to explode."
and
"When GE's break down they kill people." (Reworded from your first post).
You need to attend a drag race with top fuel cars. They do explode on occasion, and they have been known to kill people.
As far as GE's catching fire: That makes things interesting. I say bring on the flames!!!!!!

[JimThias]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

Because RP.net doesn't want to see good power.

And you have proof of this HOW?

As of Jan 1st, 2011 I have stopped shotting GEs, because they're ugly, common, dirty, and even sound like they're going to explode!

If that means fewer redundant Sturtevant shots...GREAT!

Side note: On the CP GEs, when you get to 25mph the HP drops to 4000, and doesn't go back to 4400 until you get down to 15mph...which supposedly saves fuel....so here you have one engine.......GE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is relevant to your life how? Oh, I know...it's not. You know NOTHING about the operations of a locomotive, regardless of who the manufacturer is. For every negative statistic you quote from another GE hater, I'm sure an engineer who drives EMDs can offset that with something equally negative.

I've seen the same train being pulled by a single SD40-2 make decent speed, while a train with a single C40-8W (We get CSX garbage over here, too) stuggle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? I've seen a Ford Escort going 80mph down the highway passing a Corvette going 60mph. Corvettes SUCK!!!!

[viper]

Originally Posted by JimThias

Really? I've seen a Ford Escort going 80mph down the highway passing a Corvette going 60mph. Corvettes SUCK!!!!

I've seen a Camero blow past a Mustang (Pony had lights, Camero had a ticket). Ford sucks!

[jnohallman]

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily
CHEVROLET = Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques

Now, where did I park my Stanley Steamer?

Jon

[troy12n]

FORD = First On Race Day

[JimThias]

FORD: Found On Road Dead

Backwards: Driver Returns On Foot

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by JimThias

FORD: Found On Road Dead

FORD = F*cked Over Rebuild Dodge

[Hatchetman]

Having driven Fords and Chevys I now drive a Very Wonderful car.

[jnohallman]

And I drive the Meanest Automotive Zoom-zoom Device Available!

Jon

[Soo 6060]

Originally Posted by JimThias

I'm sure an engineer who drives EMDs can offset that with something equally negative.

Ok, well first of all YOU DO NOT DRIVE A TRAIN. YOU RUN OR OPERATE IT. THERE IS NO STEERING WHEEL.

Originally Posted by JimThias

You know NOTHING about the operations of a locomotive, regardless of who the manufacturer is.

So, you'd be able to tell me how to isolate a trailing locomotive? And you'd be able to tell me where the cut-out cocks are for the MU hoses? How about how to cut-out the train brake handle? What and where the battery knife switch is? How long to prime the diesel engine? How to even start it? What the max BC pressure is and what that number is used for? How to perform a daily inspection and when you have to do it? How to setup a locomotive for trailing?

Yes, I know nothing.

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

So, you'd be able to tell me how to isolate a trailing locomotive? And you'd be able to tell me where the cut-out cocks are for the MU hoses? How about how to cut-out the train brake handle? What and where the battery knife switch is? How long to prime the diesel engine? How to even start it? What the max BC pressure is and what that number is used for? How to perform a daily inspection and when you have to do it? How to setup a locomotive for trailing?

Yes, I know nothing.

Obviously you do know NOTHING since there is no cut-out cock for MU cables. (CABLES, not hoses)

Isolating a unit requires a flip of a switch. A monkey can do that.

I'd love to watch you try to cut in a brand new GEVO for lead air brake setup.

All new diesels prime themselves.

Max brake cylinder pressue varies from unit to unit but usually is in the low 70's range.

Umm, a daily inspection is daily, moron.

Trailing unit:

Cut air brakes to trail position, place automatic brake valve handle in HO (or continuous service), gen field down, all breakers for lead unit ops down.

You THINK you're smart, but you really aren't. Just because you know a few things about trains doesn't make you the next genius of railroading.

Signed,
Steven M. Welch
Locomotive Mentor/Locomotive Engineer
Midland Railway
Grants, NM

[mark woody]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

Ok, well first of all YOU DO NOT DRIVE A TRAIN. YOU RUN OR OPERATE IT. THERE IS NO STEERING WHEEL.



So, you'd be able to tell me how to isolate a trailing locomotive? And you'd be able to tell me where the cut-out cocks are for the MU hoses? How about how to cut-out the train brake handle? What and where the battery knife switch is? How long to prime the diesel engine? How to even start it? What the max BC pressure is and what that number is used for? How to perform a daily inspection and when you have to do it? How to setup a locomotive for trailing?

Yes, I know nothing.

All the above is prep work and any mechanic can perform it, DRIVING A TRAIN requires a sound knowledge of the track ,speed boards, crossings, signals/ safeworking/ grades etc. and driving means moving forward or backwards and does not necessarily involve the need to STEER the vehicle.

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by mark woody

All the above is prep work and any mechanic can perform it, DRIVING A TRAIN requires a sound knowledge of the track ,speed boards, crossings, signals/ safeworking/ grades etc. and driving means moving forward or backwards and does not necessarily involve the need to STEER the vehicle.

And now that we've got all these new fangled air brake and train handling rules, you have to know exactly what's going on... If I hiccup once on the hill with loads, we're frogged the railroad for 12 hours and we're riding home in a crew van, not the GEVO we were on...

So, DannyD, how much horsepower can you have online on the headend of an empty bulk unit train? And how many powered axles can you have online on the rear? What's the maximum TOB for non DPU'd trains with hazmat loads in the consist?

How many axles of dynamic braking can I have on the lead consist on a 2800 ton empty coal train tonight? What's my max speed on my train? Should I leave all three units on the rear online? Should I place my third motor on the headend to DB only?

Get a damn life.

[jnohallman]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

Ok, well first of all YOU DO NOT DRIVE A TRAIN. YOU RUN OR OPERATE IT.

Don't tell that to anyone in the birthplace of railroading (that would be England, in case you weren't aware) where they have been driving trains ever since the Rainhill Trials. You do know what those are, right?

Now, for a piece of long overdue advice. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." (variously attributed to Mark Twain, Abraham Lincoln, Samuel Johnson, and others)

Jon

[Soo 6060]

Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

Obviously you do know NOTHING since there is no cut-out cock for MU cables. (CABLES, not hoses)

Isolating a unit requires a flip of a switch. A monkey can do that.

I'd love to watch you try to cut in a brand new GEVO for lead air brake setup.

All new diesels prime themselves.

Max brake cylinder pressue varies from unit to unit but usually is in the low 70's range.

Umm, a daily inspection is daily, moron.

Trailing unit:

Cut air brakes to trail position, place automatic brake valve handle in HO (or continuous service), gen field down, all breakers for lead unit ops down.

You THINK you're smart, but you really aren't. Just because you know a few things about trains doesn't make you the next genius of railroading.

Signed,
Steven M. Welch
Locomotive Mentor/Locomotive Engineer
Midland Railway
Grants, NM

Obviously you're an engineer, so you're going to know, so quite frankly, I'm not quite sure why it's such a "huge accomplishment" for you to know what you're doing.

[Soo 6060]

Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

So, DannyD, how much horsepower can you have online on the headend of an empty bulk unit train?

Depends on the RR, on the CP it's 9000. (They reference it as either: 2 AC44s or 3 SD40-2s)

Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

And how many powered axles can you have online on the rear?

I don't know, you're throwing me Midland Railway questions.

Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

What's the maximum TOB for non DPU'd trains with hazmat loads in the consist?

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Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

How many axles of dynamic braking can I have on the lead consist on a 2800 ton empty coal train tonight?

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Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

What's my max speed on my train?

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Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

Should I leave all three units on the rear online?

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Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

Should I place my third motor on the headend to DB only?

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Originally Posted by stevenmwelch

Get a damn life.

Ok. Now stop picking on a child.

[trainboysd40]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

Ok. Now stop picking on a child.

Okay, now stop acting like one who knows everything.

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by trainboysd40

Okay, now stop acting like one who knows everything.

Yeah, if he knew as much as he told Jim, he'd know all the answers to my questions. . . Matty, come be my engineer, at least you know something about trains...

[stevenmwelch]

Originally Posted by Soo 6060

Obviously you're an engineer, so you're going to know, so quite frankly, I'm not quite sure why it's such a "huge accomplishment" for you to know what you're doing.

How can a 9 year old like you know how to do all these things, you can't be an engineer? If you've never ran these locomotives you only opinion can be those of a true foamer - just by looks. You have no idea that the GE's load just as slow (if not slower) than a GE.. Who's the maker with all the switchers around? EMD. Wonder why? They load fast.

You have ABSOLUTELY no room to throw your opinion around of EMD/GE's operating if you've never ran them.. riding in one doesn't count either. I run these things on a daily basis for hours at a time, I think I can tell people my opinion. But, a foamer who just drools and chokes his chicken to the sight of EMD's or GE's or ALCO's (I like Alco's personally) has no room to say an opinion of how one runs.

[Soo 6060]

Originally Posted by trainboysd40

Okay, now stop acting like one who knows everything.

Okay.......




I mean, I have no problem with that.