Old 03-03-2011, 11:59 PM   #1
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GE SUCKS!

GE "locomotives":

-Load up too slow
-Catch fire and explode
-Can't last more than 25 years without having to be sent to the scrapper or sold to other railroads (Trash-8s)
-Have used the same cookie-cutter design for years, and all of their locomotives look exactly the same!!!!!!!!!!

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-Loads when you ACTUALLY move the throttle
-LAST FOR 50+ YEARS! (CF7s)
-Can rarely be found catching fire
-When they do break down, they break down quietly, and don't explode and kill people!

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Old 03-05-2011, 12:41 AM   #2
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What is your question and what website did you cut and paste that information from? I could point out several inaccuracies with that cut and paste job but it's not worth my time.

It's like classic Canon vs. Nikon, pick whichever one works better for your application and go for it!
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After a five second Google search, I got this. Daniel, that's plagiarism. You need to give "Brent" on TO credit (at a bare minimum) for that. You can and will get kicked out of institutions of higher education for that and its every bit as bad as copying one of your photos and presenting this as your own.
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After a five second Google search, I got this. Daniel, that's plagiarism. You need to give "Brent" on TO credit (at a bare minimum) for that. You can and will get kicked out of institutions of higher education for that and its every bit as bad as copying one of your photos and presenting this as your own.
But I never claimed it as my own.

I appreciate your taking the time to tell me that this is plagiarism. I had no idea.

However, all of the other Xperts who love GEs.... I'm not impressed.

Nothing more needs to be said.
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Daniel, why are you even on this forum?.....
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Daniel, why are you even on this forum?.....
Because he has not been made to feel the wrath of the banhammer!

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But I never claimed it as my own.
Um, haven't you ever seen one of the long threads about people using shots w/o permission? Yeah, that's what they all say.
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However, all of the other Xperts who love GEs.... I'm not impressed.
Umm, who here said they love GE? I sure don't, especially after spending 18 hours stuck on one. Nothing like moving further as light power swapping your headend motor with the DPU because the piece of shit won't move. It was one of your AC4400CW's you posted about...

But, the EMD crap trailing couldn't pull itself out of a soggy paper bag, so its all good, overtime is fine and the seats all feel the same when you're sleeping in them waiting for mechanical and a new crew to take the piece of crap off your hands.

Okay, enough REAL RAILROAD TALK, since apparently you have more experience running trains than I do... I'd still LOL (insert Thias' fat girl LOL picture here) watching you try to drag 17,000 to 18,000 tons up Ambrosia Hill (1.8% for 3 miles in New Mexico) with only 6 motors or better yet, drag Springerville Hill (8 miles of 1.4% in Arizona). Lets put it this way, no matter what the power is, we crest at 8 to 11MPH. Could have the newest and coolest ES44AC's and we still top it at 10MPH. Could have the oldest Dash 9's and it still tops at 10. Could have brand new SD70ACe's, and then, you top at 10. Yeah, and that's from 49MPH. Come give it a whirl, see how far you can make it with a train in one piece. Your years of experience on MSTS will do you well, LOL. (what a damn joke you are)

I need a drink, a nap, and another drink. Who's down?
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I need a drink, a nap, and another drink. Who's down?
I'll bring a 6 of Sierra. Scratch that...a case!
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I need a drink, a nap, and another drink. Who's down?
Welch, you know I'm down for bringin' the bed
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Since apparently you have more experience running trains than I do...
Who said that I have more experience than you? I certainly didn't, and certainly do not.

I haven't done anything wrong here. I'm still learning but everyone hates kids.
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I haven't done anything wrong here. I'm still learning but everyone hates kids.
People dislike kids when they misbehave, an entirely different thing.

What kind of a life have you had, getting to where you think that everyone hates kids? That's sad. Inaccurate, too. If anything, society these days favors kids in many ways compared to just a few decades ago. In many ways its all about the kids in some parts of society, or more so than before.

And, you forget about the excellent example shown by several "kids" on this very forum.
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Who said that I have more experience than you? I certainly didn't, and certainly do not.
So your disdain for GE locomotives is based purely on aesthetics, right?

Please reply before you're banned. Thanks.
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EMD is FAR > GE
What? You spent a whole lot of time (maybe a minute?) pasting an article where many of the advantages are for GE, and you still posted this statement? Why did you post this after posting Brent's opinion which shows the two builders to both be quality products? I don't get it. It seems to be highly contradictory.

Why does everyone whine about this? "GE sucks". "GEs always break down". GEs can't pull a load without exploding". Some railfans whine more than the turbo of a 16-645 (okay, that was a little nerdy) because they can't understand why there are so many GEs. Frankly, I see GEs pulling loads and getting the job done almost always. All coal trains that climb hills with 15,000 tons of coal on the UP are powered by GE AC44s, and I can't recall the last time I saw a GE stall with a train (not that it hasn't happened, but it also happens to EMDs sometimes).

So I will ask you, since you failed to show why EMDs are better, to please explain your reasoning. I'm not a locomotive engineer, so I don't have all of the information on the subject. But at the same time, you are just a railfan as well, so don't act like you are an expert, either (obviously you had to copy-paste someone Else's writing to get your point across, and it still didn't work in my mind).
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It will be particularly interesting to see what happens to EMD in terms of performance and quality now that it is part of CAT. Essentially, we're looking at round three of the competition between EMD and GE. The first round really started with second generation diesels, as GE as we understand it wasn't a builder of first generation units. The second round was the age of Dash-8s, Dash-9s, MACs and ACes, etc. The CAT takeover of EMD marks a new era for that maker, so we'll have to see what happens going forward.

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Jake, does Daniel really deserve the time of day here, does he really deserve to have someone take up his "argument"? Why would anyone care about a few characters of text Daniel managed to type in himself after copy/pasting someone else's words?
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You are completely right Janusz. I wasted my time. Unfortunately, this seems to be an epidemic. The topic annoys me, because no one wants to say it's just an opinion. Instead, they make up stuff about GEs being "trash", which is completely untrue.
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I think some of the affinity for EMD among railfans may be a matter of romanticism, as EMD is the last remaining link to the "glory days" of railroading. All the classic builders are gone - the steam builders who couldn't make the transition successfully to the diesel era, and even the one that did fairly well in Alco. EMD, even though it put all those out of business, is still the company of the E- and F-units, the Geeps and Tunnel Motors and Dash-2s. What is GE by comparison? An upstart that, perhaps more than EMD, people associate with the widecab abomination. So folks who remember, or wish they remembered, the good old days think fondly of EMD and find reasons to look down their noses at GE. Of course, as far as I'm concerned, they've got nothing on Baldwin and Juniata - but that's my own romanticism.

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I think some of the affinity for EMD among railfans may be a matter of romanticism, as EMD is the last remaining link to the "glory days" of railroading. All the classic builders are gone - the steam builders who couldn't make the transition successfully to the diesel era, and even the one that did fairly well in Alco. EMD, even though it put all those out of business, is still the company of the E- and F-units, the Geeps and Tunnel Motors and Dash-2s. What is GE by comparison? An upstart that, perhaps more than EMD, people associate with the widecab abomination. So folks who remember, or wish they remembered, the good old days think fondly of EMD and find reasons to look down their noses at GE. Of course, as far as I'm concerned, they've got nothing on Baldwin and Juniata - but that's my own romanticism.

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I find it ironic that GE got into the diesel electric locomotive market before EMD, with the help Alco, of course! I understand what you mean though. People associate EMD with diesels more so than GE (and that is very logical, since EMD started widespread production of the technology.)

I agree with your statement, and I also think it is because GEs are far more common. Today, for example, I saw 2 trains, and GEs outnumbered EMD 4-1. I think that because all railroads have bought them in large quantities, many railfans find them boring.
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You see more GE's here in the mountains than you do EMD's... As a matter of fact I haven't seen an MAC in 2 years.. Must be for a good reason..

Nothing sounds better to me than a pair of GEVO's throttling up... Except for a Ford Mustang..
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Nothing sounds better to me than a pair of GEVO's throttling up... Except for a Ford Mustang..
Fine. Put that gevo motor in an ACe body and you have a winner.

It's all about aesthetics with me. Since I don't drive them and never will, I couldn't care less what's under the hood.
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You are completely right Janusz. I wasted my time. Unfortunately, this seems to be an epidemic. The topic annoys me, because no one wants to say it's just an opinion. Instead, they make up stuff about GEs being "trash", which is completely untrue.
There is a dearth of interest today in the value of objectivity over subjectivity. I explained the difference to my son once, when he was much younger, as if you see a movie and someone asks you if it is funny, your answer is subjective. Whether you say yes or no, you are giving a response that is based on your feelings.

If someone asks you if you laughed during the movie, however, your answer is objective. It's a simple yes or no statement based on what actually occurred.

I feel like so much today is subjective, which just gets folks in a tizzy. Objective observations are so much more valuable.
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Give me a call when you touch something other than the horn button and actually run trains. Both manufactures have positives and negatives and it all depends on who you talk to.

Janusz - You are completely right but I just can't help myself sometimes.
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Massive. Tard. Do you know the difference between the "greater than" and "less than" symbols? Fail.

I think EMD/CAT will have a leg up on Round 3, mostly because of the "save the planet" rules that have to be implemented down the road...
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