Old 11-05-2012, 02:17 PM   #1
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Why the heck has no one realized that Mike Danneman's supposed B1G (Big Ten for you non-football fans) Curve shot was obviously taken on a model layout? Look at it, the shrubbery is obviously from a model and the backdrop too. And that's not even mentioning the clearly model fence or rocks. This image should never have been accepted let alone gotten a PCA for the trickery...

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In all seriousness, I love this picture because of how much it looks like it could be on a model railroad and of course a very unique perspective on the curve. And if you told me there was a model RR photo on RP and I had to find it, I think this is the one I'd have to guess.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:38 PM   #2
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Why the heck has no one realized that Mike Danneman's supposed B1G (Big Ten for you non-football fans)...


Yeah, that's a cool shot. I hope I can find that spot at the end of the month.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:18 PM   #3
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Woah, that would be one seriously effing amazing modeler!! :P

Bahaha! I personally like the shot, and don't think it's a model. There are a lot of features that point away from the fact, but i'd like to note that achieving this shot would require an insanely huge lens; focal length was 280/1...

if i'd have to pick a model rr it would be this:
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:41 PM   #4
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Based on the integrity that I assume goes along with the name - Mike Danneman, and based on previous submissions to the site, I gave Mike the benefit of the doubt though I agree - it truly looks, as I had noted in my own comment left on the image - like a model diorama set against the backdrop of Denver. Even at 280 mm, the foreground looks very much like Woodland Scenics and the BNSF set of engines, like N-Gauge, and Life Like at that, not a highly detailed brass import.

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Even at 280 mm, the foreground looks very much like Woodland Scenics and the BNSF set of engines, like N-Gauge, and Life Like at that, not a highly detailed brass import.

/Mitch
I have to say, though, that if it was a model (and I'm quite sure it's not), you'd have to be a heckuva Photoshop pro to get the exhaust and heat distortion above the engines to look that good. I think what's fooling us is the clear mountain air that allows for such nice foreground detail compared to the haze and smog in the distance.

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I can't believe anyone would have a fraction of uncertainty in their mind that Mike's picture is not real. As Dorothy said, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself!"

"I don't think it's a model" and "I'm quite sure it's not"???? COME ON!!!
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I can't believe anyone would have a fraction of uncertainty in their mind that Mike's picture is not real. As Dorothy said, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself!"

"I don't think it's a model" and "I'm quite sure it's not"???? COME ON!!!
Um, I was pretty sure when I wrote "I'm quite sure it's not" that I was clearly indicating there was no fraction of uncertainty. In fact, the point of my post was that the Photoshopping that would be necessary if such a shot was done of a model would be ridiculous. However, I'm beginning to doubt whether words in the English language mean what I have always assumed them to mean. Can someone, therefore, please suggest to me some words that convey certainty better?

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Just having a little fun, Jon.

Come on, now, didn't you like my Dorothy smiley?
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:13 AM   #9
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Thanks for the laugh guys! I actually have shot a somewhat similar photograph on my N scale Rio Grande layout in the basement. (Yes, I have a condensed version of Big 10 Curve as part of the main line running from Denver Union Station to the Moffat Tunnel).
The difficult thing about getting this shot of Big 10 Curve with Denver in the background is the season and weather. It can’t be too hazy, and the temperature can’t be too high either, creating unwanted distortion from heat radiating up from the ground. The photo was taken on October 22 and the air was pretty clear since it was a weekend and less traffic was polluting the atmosphere. Even so, there was still some slight heat distortion from the ground because it was warmer than usual.
It’s taken with a Canon 7D (crop sensor) and my 70-200 L series lens with a 1.4 extender. So what does that make it, about a 450mm? One thing I didn’t plan for was a thin cloud bank over the city, creating the neat somewhat darker background. Sometimes things just come together . . .

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Mike, is that a tough spot to reach? Do you have to hike far? I will be in Denver at the end of the month for a few days and I plan on doing some exploring.
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Mike, is that a tough spot to reach? Do you have to hike far? I will be in Denver at the end of the month for a few days and I plan on doing some exploring.
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Just having a little fun, Jon.

Come on, now, didn't you like my Dorothy smiley?
I loved the Dorothy smiley. Can you do Pippy Longstocking next time?

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And a little larger so you can fully appreciate it:

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And a little larger so you can fully appreciate it:
Thanks, Jim. I knew you wouldn't let me down!

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Two things that are very hard to fake:

The head/ditch lights and the shadows on the lead unit and all the bushes in the foreground.

Sure you can photoshop in the lights, but the way they cause a glint is very hard to fake.

Additionally, if you look at the angles of all the shadows in the image, they all match and look normal.

It is very difficult to produce such consistency when the shadows are added later, or are lacking where there should be one.

Interesting shot indeed.

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Jim,

No, it isn’t very far on the dirt road into open space. But like I mentioned earlier, the conditions don’t always allow for a long shot like this. Good luck, sir!

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Thanks, Mike!
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