Old 07-04-2008, 10:03 AM   #1
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Here’s a question for everyone. Mr Van Den Bosch has raised an interesting question at Railpage Australia. Do you feel less inclined to purchase a magazine if the content and photos have previously been published online?

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1080571.htm#1080571

My answer is definitely not. It is the instantaneous nature of the Internet and the lead times of a magazine that cause ‘old news’ to be published in magazines. In my opinion that does not make the magazine less appealing. Sometimes a different angle is taken or additional information is published to counter this.

What do you think?
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It definitely doesn't make buying magazines less appealing. I still buy railway magazines, whether by subscription, or in a newsagent on the spur off the moment. There's just something about a photograph on paper, including magazines. In fact, I started subscribing to Motive Power as a result of seeing and reading content on the Internet.
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I don't buy magazines for news, I buy them for feature articles accompanied by nice shots. I stopped my subscription to Railpace because a) I didn't care about the detailed minutae news and b) many of the shots are tiny so that takes away from the pleasure.

A nice publication, just not for me at this time.
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Do you feel less inclined to purchase a magazine if the content and photos have previously been published online?
Yes. Why would I want to spend money on photos that I can already view for free?
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Old 07-04-2008, 05:01 PM   #5
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Yes. Why would I want to spend money on photos that I can already view for free?
Do you buy CDs or download music from iTunes or something similar? I mean, you can listen to music for free on the radio, right?

For me, a magazine is much more practical in the bathroom than a laptop, if you know what I mean...
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For me, a magazine is much more practical in the bathroom than a laptop, if you know what I mean...
Agreed. Good music analogy, too.
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For me, a magazine is much more practical in the bathroom than a laptop, if you know what I mean...
Yeah, but you can't surf the forums from a magazine.

I don't mind seeing shots in a magazine after they've been published - I actually get a kick out of it - oh, I know that guy, I've seen that shot - good for him!
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For me, a magazine is much more practical in the bathroom than a laptop, if you know what I mean...
I agree but the glossy pages don't work all that well. Newspaper is better
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Do you buy CDs or download music from iTunes or something similar? I mean, you can listen to music for free on the radio, right?
I buy CDs. I hate listening to the radio because rarely do I ever hear what I want to actually listen to and you also have to listen to the stupid DJs.

As far as the bathroom convenience factor, I prefer to be alone with my thoughts during those times.
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I buy CDs. I hate listening to the radio because rarely do I ever hear what I want to actually listen to and you also have to listen to the stupid DJs.
Yeah, but the radio's free, just like RP. And similar to the radio, there's a lot of stuff on RP that I rarely want to see. And like DJs, those crazy flash/pop-up ads can be annoying. But it's all free, and that was where we got on the logic train...
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Yeah, but the radio's free, just like RP. And similar to the radio, there's a lot of stuff on RP that I rarely want to see. And like DJs, those crazy flash/pop-up ads can be annoying. But it's all free, and that was where we got on the logic train...
The radio and RP are not the same. I can choose what photo I want to see RP, but I can't choose what song I want to hear on the radio. I can look at the photo anytime I want on RP, but I have to wait until the radio plays 'my song' to hear it. I have to listen to ads on the radio, but I don't see any ads on RP.

I think you've fallen off the logic train.
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Nah, this is where we derailed:

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Why would I want to spend money on photos that I can already view for free?
Do you pay to see movies when they come out in the theater or when they're released on DVD? They'll probably end up on TV eventually.

Do you pay for the internet? It's free at the library.

Do you pay for sporting events? You can watch most of those on TV or listen to them on the radio for free.

Do you never go to any National Parks or Forests to see the sights? You can see photos of those places online for free.

And back to the music, you can record songs off the radio and play them back to your heart's content commercial free...all for FREE!

Don't worry though, the MoW crew's been called to get you back on track!
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Since I have XM radio in my car... would that be like an Elite Membership at RP? I need to get a sticker on my car that says "ELITE RADIO MEMBER". No annoying ads either.

I've been published in a few (non-paid) magazines, and I certainly like to see the printed copy. If I were to buy a magazine that was like "The Photos from RP.net" I probably wouldn't buy it... but other magazines that have a variety of photos I'd certainly buy it, even if a few of them were seen on various sites.
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When I'm in the bathroom, I couldn't care less what shots I've seen on RP before.

If it's a good shot, it's worth seeing twice (well, 2 trips a day to the room times 30 da.. nevermind)

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Nah, this is where we derailed:



Do you pay to see movies when they come out in the theater or when they're released on DVD? They'll probably end up on TV eventually.

Do you pay for the internet? It's free at the library.

Do you pay for sporting events? You can watch most of those on TV or listen to them on the radio for free.

Do you never go to any National Parks or Forests to see the sights? You can see photos of those places online for free.

And back to the music, you can record songs off the radio and play them back to your heart's content commercial free...all for FREE!

Don't worry though, the MoW crew's been called to get you back on track!
All those examples you gave, you are actually getting something for your money. You're getting the convenience that you otherwise would not have. With a magazine, it's actually more inconvenient to view a photo in a magazine that online, for me at least. I'm sure you'll disagree though.


Yes, recording off the radio is a great thing to do and is full of nothing but benefits.
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All those examples you gave, you are actually getting something for your money. You're getting the convenience that you otherwise would not have. With a magazine, it's actually more inconvenient to view a photo in a magazine that online, for me at least.
Got it. So a blanket statement of 'why pay for something I can see for free' probably would have been better worded along the lines of 'magazines are an inconvenient way for me to look at photos...it's much easier to look at them online for free.'
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If you want to pick apart what I said, then yes, that is correct.

I don't even know why we bother to have these disagreements. I hope we've both learned by now that neither of us will ever change the others mind about anything.
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I don't even know why we bother to have these disagreements. I hope we've both learned by now that neither of us will ever change the others mind about anything.
I believe that it is commonly referred to as "discussion."
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I believe that it is commonly referred to as "discussion."
Post at 6:44am?!?! Shouldn't you be at the bluff?! ...and yes, discussion can be a good thing.
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Yes. Why would I want to spend money on photos that I can already view for free?
This is the dilemma that will probably result in the death of modern newspapers as we know it.
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This is the dilemma that will probably result in the death of modern newspapers as we know it.
But how will we wrap our Christmas presents?!?!?
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One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that magazines also have articles. If I buy a magazine I'm not buying a picture book, I'm buying it so that I can read something. Yes, I will usually flip through and look at the pictures and see what the magazine is about then I will read things that are of interest to me. I will also check out who all was published and that sort of thing, but the biggest draw for a magazine is not the pictures. The pictures are sort of dressing on the windows.
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One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that magazines also have articles. If I buy a magazine I'm not buying a picture book, I'm buying it so that I can read something. Yes, I will usually flip through and look at the pictures and see what the magazine is about then I will read things that are of interest to me. I will also check out who all was published and that sort of thing, but the biggest draw for a magazine is not the pictures. The pictures are sort of dressing on the windows.
Amen to that JB, I buy a magazine to read the articles. I like looking at the pictures that are in the magazine but I buy it to read the articles. If it were just a magazine full of pictures, I wouldn't buy it because I could probably find photos of the same train or location on Railpics.
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Yes. Why would I want to spend money on photos that I can already view for free?
That was the most reasonable thing Mike B. has ever written on the forums.

I currently have no subscriptions to any railroad magazines. I prefer to buy single issues which have articles I would like to read. My main reason for this is that I have decided that it is a good place to cut unnecessary spending. At least at this point in my life.

Anyone who buys a magazine for news is missing the point of a magazine. Magazines are published on a monthly basis. Their content is centered around feature articles, not news. If the purpose of TRAINS Mag was to publish news it would be called TRAINS newspaper. It sounds silly but I think some people forget that when this discussion comes up.

I'm also a little concerned about photos that have already been published online to a major site such as RP.net and then published in a magazine such as TRAINS. I'm not saying photos should never be double published but TRAINS and every other magazine should be aware of the amount of material that has already been published. Too much repetitive material and no one will buy it.
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Post at 6:44am?!?! Shouldn't you be at the bluff?! ...and yes, discussion can be a good thing.
Yesterday at 6:44 AM I was just about to leave the apartment for the bluff. Had family obligations today... will be there again tonight...
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