Old 06-14-2009, 09:04 PM   #1
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Let me know what you think.
Is it worth appealing based on historic value?

Shot was taken in 1985.
CN 9317 was retired in 1996 and went to the UP as the 2384 and later 884.
Line here has also been single tracked.

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Old 06-14-2009, 10:09 PM   #2
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It bugs me how poor the light is, and just looking at it it doesn't seem especially rare, just another spartan cabbed EMD. It is interesting, but only if you know the details, even then it's probably no more than a glance, a quiet "oh" and move on.

tl;dr: Cool shot, but no.
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I agree with Matt. It's an interesting shot (who doesn't love spartan cab EMDs) but it's not historic yet, as they are still plenty of GP40s running around. In another 15 years however, you'll be glad you took this shot and it will be much more historic.

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I actually think I would appeal on the history lost here. But put that the line has been single tracked in the caption as well as the loco history. Make us and the screeners know there is something innteresting about this shot.
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I agree with Joe. CN didn't get many standard cab GP40s and finding shots of them seem to be hard to come by. While the light is somewhat harsh, I think the rarity makes up for it...

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Thanks for the comments. 50/50 so far. CN only bought 16 GP40's. The rest were all GP40-2L(W) units. Unfortunatly a search of the data base shows a bunch of these -2's identified as GP40's.
Nothing to lose by trying appeal and include history in caption.
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RP is not about how hard or rare a shot is; it's how good a photo it is.
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That is true, Dennis. I thought in thiscase since it was an older shot and the scene has changed from then to now, that it might merit another chance. It was mostly about the history of the loco and the double to single track.
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I agree with Matt. It's an interesting shot (who doesn't love spartan cab EMDs)
Never heard of a "spartan cab." Can you explain the significance of it so I can know if I love it or not?
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Never heard of a "spartan cab." Can you explain the significance of it so I can know if I love it or not?
They only built "300" spartan cabs... all lost to history

I like the shot, but an partyial to this era in this locale. Maybe a little PS BS could help? Usually the tight angle is successful in getting high sun shots in. Maybe some extra saturation and shadow/highlight to add some colour? This is what I did with a quick PS...

BTW, love your work, Aleks. I was watching them back in 85', but at ten years old, not shooting them.
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Never heard of a "spartan cab." Can you explain the significance of it so I can know if I love it or not?
"Spartan cab" is just another term for standard, non-wide cab locomotives.

For example, spartan cabs:

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"Spartan cab" is just another term for standard, non-wide cab locomotives.
Ah, ok. I thought there might have been a particular reason that standard cabs used the term "spartan" to define them.
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They were rather spartan in comparison to the more well equipped and better environmentally controlled cabs.
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CN 9316 and 9317 were built as "passenger" engines, or at least geared as such to fill in on passenger trains in southern Ontario. They were originally numbered CN 4016 and 4017, and shown below is sister 4016 on a passenger assignment prior to Via. These units were not sold to Via and became freight only units on CN until their demise in the mid to late 1990's. Interesting that certain GP40-2L's were also "passenger" units, and I can recall seeing CN 9444 filling in for an ailing VIA F40 east of Toronto in the mid-1990's.

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I like the extra saturation, maybe a bit too much for my personal taste but I like where your going with it.
I didn't think the sun angle was that bad what with the angle of the shot and the lack of large overhang in the numberboard area and the narrow front porch overhang not creating very much shadow on the plow area.
Not wanting to show my age, but in 85 I'd already been shooting slides for 12 years. I took some of my 1st shots back in 68 with a Kodak box camera my parents loaned me.
1st train I ever remember shooting was the International Limited.
As for the 4016, I got to ride the cab of that unit from Toronto to London. Normally we'd get back off in Brantford on the return trip with that Engineer but as this was my 1st trip in a GP40 myself and one of the other guys I was with decided to stay on till London. That turned out to be my last trip riding the units on CN passenger trains between Brantford & Toronto.
By the way the better unit according to the crews was the 4017, later 9317.
The 4016 & 4017 were geared for 89mph per the Trackside Guide but for some reason I always thought it was lower than that. Will have to do some more research on that one.
The FP9's were geared for 89mph and the FPA4 was geared for 92mph. Fasted I remember going on one of my rides was 88mph through Lynden.

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