Old 10-18-2008, 04:58 PM   #1
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I received an email from a big company on a photo of mine that I took of trains in Illinois, and they want to obtain rights to print it in their 2009 calendar



how much is it worth to sell to them or what do i do here??????????



please help--- thanks alot



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Old 10-18-2008, 05:19 PM   #2
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How big is the company and what's the distribution on the calendar?
If they want exclusive rights, tell them to stuff it if the pic is one of your better ones, but if they want non-exclusive rights, it'll depend on what they use it for.
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Old 10-18-2008, 05:24 PM   #3
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its a HUGE locomotive company and all the email said is that they wanted rights to the photo for 2009 calendar. I wrote them back this morning with contact info for me. They found my pic on railpictures.net and sent me the link to that photo and wanted to know what to do to obtain full rights to the pic.

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Old 10-18-2008, 06:20 PM   #4
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If they want exclusive rights, tell them to stuff it if the pic is one of your better ones
WHAT?! Why would you think that? Do you understand the price difference between exclusive and non-exclusive? Especially if he could just go back and take another similar shot. I'm thinking a few hundred to thousand dollars is worth selling off all the rights to a train photo that will likely never get an offer like that again. It is a train photo after all...
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Well, if it's repeatable, might as well sell the full rights for a buttload-but I hate giving away rights to unique photos...
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i'm flattered that they would want to use one of my photos on the 2009 calendar and I'm not looking to get rich off a hobby, but guys this is a HUGE locomotive company and why not make some $$$ if they offer it right?


i just have no idea how much......

got the email last night from the marketing director for this locomotive co.
and didnt see it until today and they are not open today.


on canon photography forums someone posted this link:

http://photographersindex.com/stockprice.htm


to a calculator for figuring prices to rights of photos

too bad calendars are not listed though.........
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Well, let me put it this way - if it IS just a hobby, and money isn't the primary issue, then, were I in your shoes, I would just respond back saying I'm flexible and ask them to make an offer. I did this with another company recently, and they offered me $400 - not bad by any means.
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...but I hate giving away rights to unique photos...
I'm sure you've done that so many times.

To answer the OPs question, if they want full rights to the photo (you no longer own it), I wouldn't sell it for anything less than $2,500. If they want a one time use for a calendar, offer $800-1,000.
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thanks for input everyone. i'm hoping to speak to them tommorow morning and
i will post what i find out. i will also post the pic they want so you can see it.
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I'm sure you've done that so many times.
It's happened a few times, and every time they only wanted to give me a couple hundred bucks....yeah, right. They balked after I added another 0.
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It's happened a few times, and every time they only wanted to give me a couple hundred bucks....yeah, right. They balked after I added another 0.
Thank you for proving my point. You've never sold the ownership of a photo.
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It's happened a few times, and every time they only wanted to give me a couple hundred bucks....yeah, right. They balked after I added another 0.
Hmm. I think I might stop adding the other 0. I'd say 400 or 500 hundred dollars would be a really good offer for a one time non-exclusive use of a shot. If I were the one making the first offer, I'd start just a little higher hoping to get 500.


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Hmm. I think I might stop adding the other 0. I'd say 400 or 500 hundred dollars would be a really good offer for a one time non-exclusive use of a shot. If I were the one making the first offer, I'd start just a little higher hoping to get 500.


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No, you misunderstand, that's for exclusive rights...
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No, you misunderstand, that's for exclusive rights...
Well, here I am, wrong again!



With that said, if they stop talking after you make the first offer, there's still something wrong, don't you think? I'm not saying give your stuff away, but sharing it on the internet for free isn't the same as selling it for a nifty sum. 'Course, on the other hand, if by exclusive rights you mean you can't even post it on a web site, then I *might* would have to reconsider.


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I think I'm making a good amount of money off my photos as it is =)
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ok guys I made the deal this morning and pretty excited.
1 shot in the 2009 calendar, now the calendar is only a run of less than 2000 copies, which are going to all customers of theirs.

People were saying go for 500 for a small run of a non-exclusive.

They are paying me $300 for the calendar. calendar photo size will be aprox. 8 x 10
I will also be credited on the calendar for the photo.

When the money is in my hands for a closed deal i will post the locomotive company and my pic.....
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Congrats! That's pretty cool. Look forward to seeing the photo!

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Congrats on selling your photo Brian...I'm guessing that it was one of your Metra shots that M-K wanted and two of them I saw under your name are very good!
I'd be thrilled to get $300 for a shot that can be easily replicated...I would think that companies like M-K, EMD and GE would rather pay for shots like that instead of having to send a company photographer out to do the same which can get expensive quick if any substantial travel is involved. If I were putting together a calendar for a locomotive builder I'd want shots of newer, clean power taken at locations all over the US and Canada. The cheapest way to obtain a dozen photos like that would be to go on RP and pick them out and buy them. I know Norfolk Southern uses photos submitted by employees of the railroad in their calendars which may be even cheaper although I'd guess that they reimburse the employees somehow for the shots that are used. Again, good for you and thanks for sharing your experience with us as it serves as a guideline...plus it gives you exposure for possible future sales!
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$300 is at the high-end of what you should expect for a small-run calendar. You did well. Congrats.

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ok guys I made the deal this morning and pretty excited.
1 shot in the 2009 calendar, now the calendar is only a run of less than 2000 copies, which are going to all customers of theirs.

People were saying go for 500 for a small run of a non-exclusive.

They are paying me $300 for the calendar. calendar photo size will be aprox. 8 x 10
I will also be credited on the calendar for the photo.

When the money is in my hands for a closed deal i will post the locomotive company and my pic.....
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:18 AM   #22
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I was going to say get an offer from them and use your feelings.

As always regardless of whether you sell exclusive rights to it you can still use the photo for your portfolio. I believe an owner never sells off their name as the one who took the original.

Anyway congratulations!!!!!
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