Old 12-05-2008, 12:16 PM   #1
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I am looking at getting a better Telephoto lens and was considering the Tamron 70-200 F/2.8. Then was talking to someone and they mentioned the Canon 70-200 F/4 L non IS. They are about in the same ball park in price. I know that once you go L you will never go back. Funding wise I could probably go either way for one of these 2 but not more. Anybody on here have any experience and input on either of these 2 lenses.

Looking to use this for trains (naturally), landscapes, and my to little girls playing around causing chaos.

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Old 12-05-2008, 01:16 PM   #2
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The Canon 70-200 4L non-IS has worked great for me (see any of my shots taken >70mm...they were with this lens).

If you'd be willing to buy used, mine's about ready to hit the market...
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The 70-200 F4L is about there sharpest lens Canon makes a long with there 400 F5.6L , The Tamron is good to from a test a friend made but i haven't tried it out.
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Kevin................... Just go to "L"

It is nice glass
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If you want soft photos and slow focus, buy the Tamron.
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Damnit Ween, if I'm going to keep emulating you, you have to stop upgrading all of your stuff.

You won't find a single railfan who uses Canon equipment who will tell you that any flavor of the 70-200 L is a bad investment. You will not regret it, but be forewarned that it's a gateway lens... before you know it you'll be longing for the 17-40 or the 24-105...
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I am looking at getting a better Telephoto lens and was considering the Tamron 70-200 F/2.8. Then was talking to someone and they mentioned the Canon 70-200 F/4 L non IS. They are about in the same ball park in price. I know that once you go L you will never go back. Funding wise I could probably go either way for one of these 2 but not more. Anybody on here have any experience and input on either of these 2 lenses.

Looking to use this for trains (naturally), landscapes, and my to little girls playing around causing chaos.

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I had the Canon 70-200 f2.8 "L" lens, and sold it and purchased the cheaper 70-200 f4.0 IS "L" lens. It is in my 25 years of shooting been the best lens, zoom or prime, I have ever used. It's that good. If you can, I know it is a lot, but get the IS version. It is worth the extra $.
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I had the Canon 70-200 f2.8 "L" lens, and sold it and purchased the cheaper 70-200 f4.0 IS "L" lens. It is in my 25 years of shooting been the best lens, zoom or prime, I have ever used. It's that good. If you can, I know it is a lot, but get the IS version. It is worth the extra $.
And that's why my non-IS version is up for grabs...
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And that's why my non-IS version is up for grabs...
For how much?
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WOW, Thanks for all the input. I will be considering this lens more then.

Cinderpath, what do you like better about the F/4 vs the F/2.8? Do you have any issues shooting in low light?

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Doug,
Do you have any "L"'s in your possession?
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Do you have any "L"'s in your possession?
I will if Santa read my letter. As of today, I do not, but have talked to so many that have the 70-200 and all say go the IS. It is my next lense
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Another real good lens is the Canon 70-300 IS, I have been using it more frequently lately, and I have been very happy with the results, even hand held shots around 250mm have came out sharp. It probably is the best lens I have at the moment too.
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If you'd be willing to buy used, mine's about ready to hit the market...
I would be interested, but hate to think how much it would cost to ship to the UK

Currently getting very tempted with a 5D + 24-105L kit which has dropped in price now that the next version of the 5D is out. Looks as though I need to wait and see if the credit crunch lowers the price a little more before I can afford it though.
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WOW, Thanks for all the input. I will be considering this lens more then.

Cinderpath, what do you like better about the F/4 vs the F/2.8? Do you have any issues shooting in low light?

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I like the f4.0 version for a couple of reasons. 1. Flare- and f4.0 lens has fewer, and elements are smaller, so there is less lens flare, which is very important for me. 2. Size and weight- the f4.0 lens is considerably smaller, and weighs a lot less (see #1) 3. As it is more compact, it attracts less attention. As for the low light issue, no zero issues. Todays cameras have such better noise, I can if I ned to shot at a little higher iso, with little change in quality, The benefits for me outweigh the extra cost, and light with a f2.8 As well the f4.0 version is actually sharper than the f2.8


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You will find quality with Canon L glass. I'm not so sure about the Tamron lens. I suppose that depends on your quality standards. You can't go wrong with the Canon 70-200 F/4L, that is unless you need a fast glass.
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Any idea what the collar cost, or is it not needed?
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I love my Canon f4L 70 to 200 mm. In fact, dare I say, it's an "L" of a good piece of glass?




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Any idea what the collar cost, or is it not needed?
I haven't found a need for one with the F/4 70-200 non-IS.
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If you need a collar I believe they have some third party ones on ebay for cheap. I've used both the 2.8 IS and the 4.0L IS versions and I've never really needed the collar...but it's up to you.
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OK, thanks a million guys! I will be looking at getting one of these guys once I have the cash.

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If you need a collar I believe they have some third party ones on ebay for cheap. I've used both the 2.8 IS and the 4.0L IS versions and I've never really needed the collar...but it's up to you.
Its a must have if you have a Rebel, you wont want all that hanging from the camera. I wouldn't
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Its a must have if you have a Rebel, you wont want all that hanging from the camera. I wouldn't
^^^What?

I am a hand-hold shooter, so I never saw the need to invest in the tripod collar. The few times I've put my XT with the 70-200 on the tripod, I never was not in contact with the camera or tripod because it's very unstable, very top heavy.

If you primarily shoot with a tripod, then perhaps a collar might be a good idea, but it depends on how you plan on shooting with the lens...
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If you need a collar I believe they have some third party ones on ebay for cheap. I've used both the 2.8 IS and the 4.0L IS versions and I've never really needed the collar...but it's up to you.
Wait, even the heavier IS version doesn't automatically come with a collar?
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Wait, even the heavier IS version doesn't automatically come with a collar?
With Canon, you have to check to be sure but the f/2.8 does come with a tripod mount.

Gotta love Canon, though, I am pretty sure that no non-L lens comes with a hood (even a high-end non-L like the 85 /1.8!). Unbelievable! So one has to order the knock-off on eBay or otherwise.
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