Old 03-13-2011, 07:11 PM   #1
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I am helping Jennifer with a few of these shots.....any advice will be appreciated

This one she got hit with back lit when trying to get a glint shot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=725624639

She had a previous for too much grain which she corrected.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=573516791

These two it is the horizon

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=911520&key=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=573516791

And cropping for this one
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So any advice I can pass onto her will be appreciated!

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Old 03-13-2011, 08:56 PM   #2
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On the first one... well the nose is not lit... don't think you can do much. Try cranking the contrast to bring out the blacks even more.

The second is leaning to the left. Look at the loco, it's pretty obvious. Needs a bit of CW rotation. Otherwise, very nice shot!

On the third one, the train is centered horizontally. Make it go up or down!

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Old 03-13-2011, 10:08 PM   #3
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The second is leaning to the left. Look at the loco, it's pretty obvious. Needs a bit of CW rotation. Otherwise, very nice shot!
It's not obvious to me, especially when you look at the verticals in the background. I would think the center of the water tower should be vertical so if you level the engine to make the train look straight, the water tower will be leaning unnaturally to the right...
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The second is leaning to the left. Look at the loco, it's pretty obvious. Needs a bit of CW rotation. Otherwise, very nice shot!
Actually, the second one is leaning to the right. Look at the water tower and hoppers in the lower corner. I'd say it's more likely the locomotive is on some uneven track here, so when he levels the image by the water tower, it's going to be leaning to the left a little. But a locomotive leaning is a lot more tolerable than a structure such as a water tower leaning.
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The first one looks extremely grainy, especially on the nose and the grass on the left.
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You guys are right about the second one. My apologies.

Here's an idea for the first one. I cranked the contrast (the slider is basically maxed out), raised the blacks, gave it some recovery in LR, some highlights, reduced the light tones and shades quite a bit by playing with the curves.

Not sure if the screeners would buy that shadow in the front, though.
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Honestly, I don't really like the cropping on the FEC #107 shot. The locomotive is almost in the dead center, the ballast cars don't really add anything to the scene, and there is a ton of dead space to the left and bottom.
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The side view train (last shot) is really nice. I say trim some of the sky and resub. Should get in. The second train, I think, will eventually get either a Bad Cropping or a Train Too Far Away rejection. If she has a later version where the train is closer, I'd rather see that. The "glint" attempt needs work and it might always be a no go for RP. The nose needs to be darker, not lighter, for a truer glint attempt. And then the side of the engine, esp. the cab, needs to be lighter. The glare is way too strong.
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Looking at the glint attempt again, that drainage ditch isn't adding a thing to the shot. I would have liked to see her stand with the ditch behind her. Not sure that will ever get past the screener regardless of anything else she fixes in the shot. It's a nice attempt though.
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Hey everyone...thank you I will share with her. She is going to school so she does not get a chance to get online that much so I will pass on the advice....I really (and she does too!) the help.
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Tried processing without brightening... same rejection- http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1083473746

I'm really not sure what to do with this one http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=912036&key=0 I tried leveling based on the water tower as suggested, and still rejected. (I also used a more up-close version)

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I tried leveling based on the water tower as suggested, and still rejected.

Try again until you get the water tower level. The legs are at angles, so you have to make sure you pick out the tube in the very middle, that is the water pipe and that should be vertical. It looks like you leveled using one of the legs.
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Thanks for helping her....Jen congrats on the ones you did get in.
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On the glint shot, you can probably try something like this. Push the contrast all the way up. If you can try to recover some of the glare on the side of the cab.

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Try again until you get the water tower level. The legs are at angles, so you have to make sure you pick out the tube in the very middle, that is the water pipe and that should be vertical. It looks like you leveled using one of the legs.
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On the glint shot, you can probably try something like this. Push the contrast all the way up. If you can try to recover some of the glare on the side of the cab.
I agree with both posts. The water tower is definitely still leaning and needs to be the main focus of leveling this image.

The glint shot needs more contrast as Chris stated. The last rejection is too bright. It got the poor lighting/not enough nose light rejection I believe because of that. The image is not sure if it wants to be a daylight shot with glint or a glint shot that's too bright. You really need to get the glint to pop from the rest of the scene, and that'll come with the correct amount of contrast (and maybe some saturation).
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What if you were to turn it black and white? I'm unsure if its acceptable or not for the site... but for photos I've taken for myself I've either turned it black and white and applied a photo filter, or put a color overlay on it. Its worth a shot.

B/W with an orange photo filter applied:



Its tough to get the right effect on shots like the first one...
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