Old 02-12-2017, 06:03 AM   #1
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Default Acela in the Snow - Backlit (side)

Before submitting this shot, I knew I might end up with a backlit (side) rejection, but I took the chance after seeing that there were other backlit Acela shots (nose or side) in the database. I'm not necessarily expecting this to be a case where further editing would make it RP-worthy, but I wanted to get perspectives the rejection and see if there was more to it than just the backlit side specifically.

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By way of background, this was shot approximately 20 minutes after sunrise. This is one of several shots in sequence, but this one had the best lighting of that group of images. With the curvature at Metropark, while the lighting would have been better from the other platform, the catenary poles might have cluttered the passing train. Even so, this was actually a picture I took during my morning commute, so shooting from the other platform or waiting longer for better lighting and using a higher f/stop would not have been a viable option in this particular case.

If more than the backlit side is at play, I'm thinking the surrounding scenery and/or the somewhat low depth of field were too much for the screener to overlook the backlighting. Any other thoughts?
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:40 AM   #2
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Highlights too bright and only the nose of the train is close to being in focus. Attached is a quick and dirty attempt to darken the highlights a bit using the shadow/highlight tool plus a tighter crop to minimize all the stuff that is out of focus. However over all the image quality doesn't look really good and not sure if you can fix that or not. Try to get the nose as sharp as possible.
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:47 AM   #3
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Not enough light on the side? Ridiculous claim.
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Highlights too bright and only the nose of the train is close to being in focus. Attached is a quick and dirty attempt to darken the highlights a bit using the shadow/highlight tool plus a tighter crop to minimize all the stuff that is out of focus. However over all the image quality doesn't look really good and not sure if you can fix that or not. Try to get the nose as sharp as possible.
Sorry, John, but I got a case of claustrophobia when I opened that edit.
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I also was surprised when I got the side light rejection on what I thought a nice photo.

On yours what I see is: too much of blue cast in the snow for daylight, as noted too bright, and looks like trying too hard to hide the shadows gives it an unnatural look but that is too common to RP's. Very early light is great and what most photographers look for so don't try to hide it? I think you want the nose jumping out of the shadows and if they don't like it?? My edit looked like John's without the crop and a little warmer.

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Thanks for the advice. I have room to shift the crop. Would shifting it like so work better or does it center it/make the composition awkward given the tilt of the trainset? Do I need to go further in adjusting the highlights, shadows and/or tint?
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I like that, got rid of the background distraction, pleasant foreground and room for a fast moving train.
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It may not get on because of RP's preference for side light, but that's a much better version, nicely done.
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Sorry, John, but I got a case of claustrophobia when I opened that edit.
OK so I spent some time on a submarine once. My version WAS a bit tight, I was trying to crop out as much of the soft background as possible. I would still prefer it to be a bit tighter than abr's last version, but that is just me.

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It may not get on because of RP's preference for side light, but that's a much better version, nicely done.
I hope RP sees that side light works here. I think it provides some contrast needed to make the image work (can I say drama?). My bigger concern is the lack of overall sharpness, which presumably is related to a shallow depth of field, although that seems to be much improved in the last version. I agree it is a very nice image.
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....and between you all you have a winner, well done!
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:36 PM   #11
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It worked, and I appreciate everyone's advice, particularly John's quick and dirty upload as a comparison point and Bob's observation on the tone of the snow. Even if it hadn't gotten on to RP, it made for a much better final product.

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I was really hoping to get a good shot of the Acela kicking up snow the day after the storm, since I couldn't venture out during it. I even made a point of bringing my SLR with me on my morning commute instead of my mirrorless, just so I'd have a better lens and a little more flexibility shooting. Glad it paid off!

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Another top-24. got a lot going for it.

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Clearly everyone was busy looking at this one added shortly before, which made it as high as #3 in the 24 hours after it was added :

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That makes two in less than a week that have been among the top four in a 24-hour period...as opposed to zero before that, so I'm not complaining. I'm hoping those are the first of many to come and that I can pay it forward by helping others out here as I become more seasoned with RP.

In any case, views are nice, but what matters above all else is that I'm happy with the photo itself. I wanted to catch this particular Acela run kicking up snow at this curve in the early morning light. With the right timing, approach, advice, and adjustments, I ended up with an image that ranks among my all-time favorites. Once again, thanks to all who helped.
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