Old 11-16-2011, 06:36 AM   #1
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All right, I get that they don't want the shot. I see the lighting isn't great, but how is this Bad Angle, Bad Cropping and Composition/Balance?

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I mainly cropped a little off the sides. There was a white warning sticker of some sort that I cut off of the NS loco, so I cropped to right after the logo.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:39 AM   #2
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And I like the cropping on this one and am inclined not to change it. I remember shooting it this way to keep the tree and fire station visible. Thoughts?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=987334&key=0
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:47 AM   #3
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At a quick glance, I like 'em both but each seem "tall". Not sure what ratio you used but I think each would benefit by cropping a bit off the bottom.

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I half-disagree with Mitch; if anything, chop some off of the top of the second rejection. Having an incomplete tree won't hurt too much.
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I'm with Dave on the vertical crop. But the main problem is that you shot a second too late, letting the distant train get too close, photo-wise, to the near train.

And then, to stick it to you, they also remind you that the distant train has insufficient nose light.
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Janusz nailed it. The oncoming train in the first rejection is way too close to the train going away, hence the bad composition and angle. If you have an earlier frame, you may have a winner.

The other rejection of the Christmas train looks like you need to adjust the cropping to make more a better composition. Incorporating the fire station doesn't have a huge impact on the photo. The ratio is just a hair off, too.

Again, those are my personal thoughts.

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concur with david/janusz on all points.
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I think it would have been fine if the train heading to the photographer was more spatially separated from the train in the foreground... that would have been my only complaint. Do you have about 1 frame sooner? It's just too close.
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The other rejection of the Christmas train looks like you need to adjust the cropping to make more a better composition. Incorporating the fire station doesn't have a huge impact on the photo. The ratio is just a hair off, too.

Again, those are my personal thoughts.

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Why doesn't it have a huge impact on the photo? I look at the photo and see that it is a Santa Train but also what town it is rolling through. I would rather get that information from the photo than have to scroll to the bottom and read where it was taken. Plus, if it were just a tree and a train with no other visual elements, it would be pretty boring IMO.

I agree with Dave about cropping some of the tree off.
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And I like the cropping on this one and am inclined not to change it. I remember shooting it this way to keep the tree and fire station visible. Thoughts?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=987334&key=0
I think I would have rejected this one for "butt-ugly locomotive."
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Why doesn't it have a huge impact on the photo? I look at the photo and see that it is a Santa Train but also what town it is rolling through. I would rather get that information from the photo than have to scroll to the bottom and read where it was taken. Plus, if it were just a tree and a train with no other visual elements, it would be pretty boring IMO.
I was trying to give the Elgin Fire Department some love! And to also "place" the picture. I've taken a few shots here before and this is probably the best one that shows what I was trying to do.
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I agree with Dave about cropping some of the tree off.
I'll look at the cropping again.

The advice from others on the two train meet is duly noted. As I recall when I took that picture, my 300D had some lag time every now and then and this was the one shot I got of the meet. It'll be filed away elsewhere. The interesting thing to me is that I caught the HLCX unit this past week over in Cayce and thought I'd see about uploading both shots at the same time.

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Personally I think the screener just had it in for you. You should learn to be nice to screeners.
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Why doesn't it have a huge impact on the photo? I look at the photo and see that it is a Santa Train but also what town it is rolling through. I would rather get that information from the photo than have to scroll to the bottom and read where it was taken. Plus, if it were just a tree and a train with no other visual elements, it would be pretty boring IMO.

I agree with Dave about cropping some of the tree off.
I agree with you AB about including names and incorporating as many structures, etc. into a picture to give it a sense of location, at I suppose that when I initially looked at this photo, it seems that the fire station doesn't have a huge impact because of it's position in relation to the composition. It's partially obstructed by the tree and a little bit in the distance. I think I would've maybe gotten closer to the tree, used it to maybe frame the train/fire station (of course, that is if the piece of equipment was not in the way).

Regardless, I think the real issue with the cropping is simply the height of the image. You remove some of the top and I think it'd probably get in now that I have fresh eyes this morning.

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Old 11-16-2011, 06:19 PM   #14
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For the meet shot, as noted it's just too close to save (with the front hand rails touching each other visually). You need a little more separation like this:

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For the fire station one, do you have a shot with the train perhaps an engine length or so closer where the nose is close to the tree trunk and blocking the heavy equip. parked by the tree? That'd put it closer to the fire station you're trying to represent and allow a much stronger crop/composition than the current image with the large separation between the train & station. I'm a huge fan of "location ID props" but the current pic looks like it's a frame too soon (in my eyes).

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Old 11-17-2011, 06:48 PM   #15
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I resubmitted the Santa Train shot and it got rejected again. I didn't read the e-mail and assumed more Bad Cropping. Just went to the reject page and found this....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=987646&key=0

Which made me laugh.

EDIT -- Joke is on me. I put the wrong date in. This made me laugh, too.
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I resubmitted the Santa Train shot and it got rejected again. I didn't read the e-mail and assumed more Bad Cropping. Just went to the reject page and found this....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=987646&key=0

Which made me laugh.
Yeah, that's one for the "WTF file."
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Yeah, that's one for the "WTF file."
It took me three times to realize it was MY mistake. Date is wrong. No Santa Trains in June!

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I guess if this engineering thing doesn't work out, I've got a shot for a backup career doing topiary. (Glad to see it got in, Joe.)
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