Old 10-20-2014, 02:12 AM   #26
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But I guess these just won't cut it, despite the time and effort spent in capturing them!
No reason to give up. A simple crop will get the passenger train photo accepted.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:15 AM   #27
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We are missing the bigger picture here... is that a 10 chime horn?
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:13 PM   #28
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OK....let's discuss this shot of mine from yesterday:

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It probably doesn't meet the "rule of thirds" test---plus there's no "light on the nose." And obviously, it's back-lit. In short, it's a mess if you follow the rigid rules of photography, or the standards typically used by RP. And yet, it was accepted. Why?

Whether you like it or not (and I'm sure many will not like it for many reasons---but that's all well and good), it was an attempt to capture the "feel" of the real world of mountain railroading. It's not a "pretty train picture" (although I also posted some shots of the same train that fit that bill). Of 70 shots I got yesterday of this train at various locations, this is my favorite. I sincerely appreciate RP's screeners for going along with me and adding this to the data base.

I mention all this because the rule of thirds doesn't always "rule."
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:59 PM   #30
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How 'bout that, Ron. Here's another one that tweaks the Rule of Thirds, but it didn't pass the nose test.

Nice photo, by the way. Really nice.

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Old 10-20-2014, 10:57 PM   #31
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We are missing the bigger picture here... is that a 10 chime horn?
Yes it is, all AMT equipment has a redundant set of horns so that they don't have to test the horn in the middle of the night in residential areas.

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How 'bout that, Ron. Here's another one that tweaks the Rule of Thirds, but it didn't pass the nose test.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...72&key=7207277
Fine shot!
But the minority that cares about "light on the nose" must be appeased.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:29 PM   #33
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Fine shot!
But the minority that cares about "light on the nose" must be appeased.
Right on! The powerlines floating in mid-air are worse than the lighting anyhow.

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Really? Is floating power lines now on the RP rejection list? I'll be looking for it next time: the dreaded FPL ...
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Really? Is floating power lines now on the RP rejection list? I'll be looking for it next time: the dreaded FPL ...
LOL! No, it's not on the list. Some people do find it distracting to have power lines floating across the scene above the interest.

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I figured a less critical viewer wouldn't see them. I could have cloned 'em out, so I plead guilty to indolence and sloth.
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Doesn't matter in my view, too subtle.

One does wonder why you didn't cross the track to the other side. Was there an obstruction? I dislike heavily shadowed rails.
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Doesn't matter in my view, too subtle.

One does wonder why you didn't cross the track to the other side. Was there an obstruction?
An obstruction like this one?
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I dislike heavily shadowed rails.
I like shadows. So did Ansel Adams. (no comparison of my shots to his intended!)
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Good ol' Ansel would never be so foolish as to take a picture of shadowed rails.
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Crossing the track wouldn't have solved the shadow-on-nose problem.

I'm not aware that Ansel Adams ever took train pictures. But if he did, he'd make sure there was good detail in the shadows.

Like I did.
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I was referring to the dark rails problem. A pet peeve of mine, and also something RP often does not care for.
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I was referring to the dark rails problem. A pet peeve of mine, and also something RP often does not care for.
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I wouldn't put myself through hanging around a place I didn't care for, with people of the same.

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Some of you seem overly fixated on the most minute of details, rather than whether the photo is a pleasing one overall. Now we need well lighted rails? What's next?
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I was taking all this in the spirit of good fun. If I thought you were making a serious critique, I would have walked away a long time ago. Sorry. The photo is what it is, a pleasant little image. Nothing for the portfolio. As miningcamper said, nothing gained by picking at the details.
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Mining, it is a matter of taste, I suppose. To me, two solid near-black bars running through a daytime shot are quite distracting visually. There is a reason why high sun is a rejection on RP, and it isn't just because it is often coincident with harsh, contrasty light. Spots of heavy shadow can take away from an image. What to you is minute is, to me, glaring. It keeps the photo from being pleasing overall. Whereas, to my tastes, a half-nose in shadow, also seen here, does not take away from it being pleasing. Because it isn't a stark patch of near-black.

The stronger the light, the harsher the light, and Bob's shot looks fairly contrasty and harsh to me, the more the dark rails set it off (in part because, given the bright light overall, they are relatively darker).
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Some of you seem overly fixated on the most minute of details, rather than whether the photo is a pleasing one overall. Now we need well lighted rails? What's next?
Art is 100% subjective. If a photo doesn't meet the criteria set by the overly fixated person, then it's not pleasing.

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Some of you seem overly fixated on the most minute of details, rather than whether the photo is a pleasing one overall. Now we need well lighted rails? What's next?
Some of us like to strive for excellence in the things we do, others don't and are complacent with mediocrity.

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Some of us like to strive for excellence in the things we do, others don't and are complacent with mediocrity.

Ron's S-curve shot (which I like, BTW), "violates" a bunch of the rules (standards, preferences, whatever). It's a tad unlevel as well. Does that make it mediocre in any way? Can't I like BobE's shot as well?
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