Old 06-17-2007, 09:35 PM   #1
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Just looking for ideas on having this photo accepted. It's a long distance photo taken a 70-300mm lense in 111 degree heat. The subject is running against a small mountain range outside of Las Vegas. Any suggestions ladies and gentlemen?
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:24 PM   #2
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Dump it. The light on the train is horrid. As far as cropping goes, just crop on all corners to get rid of the excess sky and foreground.
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:23 AM   #3
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I personally don't see a problem with the cropping. I like seeing the whole train and lots of foreground. But the lighting is sub par. You could try an appeal on the crop and hope the creener isn't reading this.


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Old 06-18-2007, 02:34 AM   #4
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This is advice to everyone - avoid putting the train in the center of the frame! I'm not preaching rule of thirds but having an equal amount of sky and foreground is actually distracting. My theory is no puffy or solo clouds get the ground.

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Dump it. The light on the train is horrid. As far as cropping goes, just crop on all corners to get rid of the excess sky and foreground.
I'll first say you did get the idea of cropping right, but you have no idea what you are talking about as far as the lighting goes. If its anything but full sun its "horrid"? I wouldn't be too happy with my collection if I followed that logic. The backlighting of the mountains make the rock edges stand out and show the SCENE rather than just the TRAIN.
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:36 AM   #5
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I've seen a bunch of similar photos where the lighting, or perhaps, resolution causes the train to appear more like a water color painting then a sharp photo. I'd let it go, but you could certainly appeal it based on the current rarity of the subject. I gather, different screeners, different tolerences.

As far as cropping - like Andrew stated - it's right smack in the center of the photo. It may be slightly unlevel too. About the only way you could further crop it if you do not have more sky or ground would be to make it a Photoshop OOB image (Out of Bounds). Look it up on Google if you aren't sure what that is - it's pretty neat : )

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Andrew;

I didn't see it as being in the center of the frame. It also wasn't appealed on composition or balance, but cropping. But I have been very aware of whether I center trains or not. It's taking me a little getting used to. Wedgies seem to gravitate to the center of the frame for me. More artistic framing seems to work out for themselves.


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I didn't see it as being in the center of the frame.

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Ahh true, didn't take a good enough look at it the first time. Too much boring sky. Take some out and hope its not too panoramic!
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Thanks for the ideas and comments. For those that know the location the train is actually going down hill, I leveled it. I cropped it close to make it appear more level. The sun is to the right of the train and opposite of my location. Thanks for the comments...Ken
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:52 AM   #9
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Ken,

I might be a little late here, but I'd lose the tail end of the train on the curve. It gets lost behind the power line support structure...
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I'll first say you did get the idea of cropping right, but you have no idea what you are talking about as far as the lighting goes. If its anything but full sun its "horrid"? I wouldn't be too happy with my collection if I followed that logic. The backlighting of the mountains make the rock edges stand out and show the SCENE rather than just the TRAIN.
You're right, the lighting on the mountains is great, but the lighting on the train is not good IMO. Just looks like the front end of the train is in shadows. The lighting towards the back of the train is fine so the sun can't be too far off. I'm sure you could keep the light the same (or close to it) on the mountains and have the entire train lit at the same time. Granted, I've never been to this location, but it looks doable.

I agree 100% about the train being in the middle of the frame.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:15 PM   #11
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Just take out some of the foreground IMO.

That train drove me nuts when it was in town! I staked out at Apex waiting for it, but got impatient when it didn't show and headed towards town to see if it was coming. As I got down near Fremont St., there it went! So I head north on 15 and got ahead of it. However, due to low fuel I couldn't head all the way back to Apex so I tried to catch it at Valley, but was swallowed up by heavy traffic! I'll have to catch it in August I guess.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:12 AM   #12
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You know, now that I realize this was a special move, ignore my advice about cutting off the end of the train. I thought it was just another Amtrak train at the time...
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:04 PM   #13
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This was rejected for the foreground clutter of the shrub which I will admit is worse than the sign posts, etc. that I have seen accepted. My question is, what do you think of the photo looking past the obstruction? If you like it other than the shrub blocking a few of the drive wheels, I might take a saw with me next time. This was my first attempt at a reflection shot in something other than a mud puddle. I've seen at least one other photo on RP at this location, only on the other side of the tracks. The sun would have been in my face if I would have went there.
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:04 AM   #14
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Sorry to say, but the brush is a distracting obstruction in the foreground. Sometimes obstructions go unnoticed or don't "take away from the photo" in which case they are accepted, such as signs, switchstands, etc, to the side of the train. Tall brushes and weeds typically do not get accepted from what I have seen - unless of course they are on the same track the train is running on and do not distract from the photo.

Example here - and notice the other shots I also have there. They all have the milepost.

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In your shot, if the brush wasn't there, the shot would turn out really nice. That's a good reflection in the water.

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EMTRailfan, that is a nice location - shame about the bushes though. I think a flame-thrower would be of more use than a saw in this case
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Thanks for the encouragement. I saw the clutter, but I didn't think it was THAT bad until it got rejected. The screener was right in rejecting. I will use this one as a learning experience. I imagine that the shrub is on EBT ROW, so I'll see if they will let me do some pruning next time unless someone else beats me to it. Do you think the one blocking the drive wheels will be sufficient? The one on the left edge looks like an actual tree. They may frown on that one.

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If you look at my shots, I too prefer to have a switch stand, cross buck, or something RR related in my shots to stop the eye. I wasn't dissing sign posts as obstructions, just using them as a comparison to my shrub. Sorry if anyone took it that way.
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Do you think the one blocking the drive wheels will be sufficient? The one on the left edge looks like an actual tree. They may frown on that one.
It looks, to my untrained eye, like there is some weed on the right side of the left tree that could be trimmed away. Looks like the leaves are different from those on the tree itself. Make the call when you are there.
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