Old 04-20-2012, 12:29 AM   #1
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Think you could take a few minutes and shoot them in proper light?

Some of them are downright atrocious lighting conditions. And I am talking about the ones staged at the shops / yards for the most part.

Is the site that desperate for views that they just accept the first thing through? They cant wait 8-12 hours for someone to shoot the thing in proper light?

I really held my comments until today's high sun Interstate shot.

I hope NS isnt paying this guy.
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Troy, if you were up this way today you would understand that Casey didn't have that much sun to play with today. Yes they are paying Casey, and I think he's doing a fine job, really people just because these are getting more views than your shots no need to nitpick, I think its really cool that NS is going through the effort to post these on here. Also if they don't publish a photo first someone will leak a shot like with the CR unit, Casey and NS was pretty unhappy about that.
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Also if they don't publish a photo first someone will leak a shot like with the CR unit, Casey and NS was pretty unhappy about that.
"Leak" a photo? You mean take a picture of it before NS can? Come on man...

Is NS racing to become the lowest common denominator like news outlets where it's more important to be "first" than to be "good"?

So the weather sucks, so what. Take the picture the next day. So NS doesn't get the first "scoop", so what...

Railpictures is enabling them too, they don't have to accept it do they? Question to the screeners, have you ever rejected on of their shots? Be honest...
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"Leak" a photo? You mean take a picture of it before NS can? Come on man...

Is NS racing to become the lowest common denominator like news outlets where it's more important to be "first" than to be "good"?

So the weather sucks, so what. Take the picture the next day. So NS doesn't get the first "scoop", so what...

Railpictures is enabling them too, they don't have to accept it do they? Question to the screeners, have you ever rejected on of their shots? Be honest...
Casey's current assignment is to publicly debut the Heritage units, so yes it is important since thats what NS wants. Having some crappy backlit picture released first is even worse like with the CR unit. The units need to be gotten into service too so they can't just leave them sitting around for optimal lighting.
Its not like Casey doesn't follow up with better shots of the units on the road.
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Is NS racing to become the lowest common denominator like news outlets where it's more important to be "first" than to be "good"?
You're mixing your analogies, too. NS isn't a news source in this scenario. That would RP. NS is the large corporation trying to get their brand out there at the same time trying to promote a good image. We can debate whether these photos are doing that. It's a bit of a con game that they want to be first to get the images out. And like I said, I would suggest better and different ways to do it. But there's a bit of an absurd arguement here that the photos should all be great. They're not trying to be great; they're rolling the units out of the shop and having pictures made. I didn't note the clouds in the PRR shot or the high sun in the Interstate shot.
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NS is the large corporation trying to get their brand out there at the same time trying to promote a good image. We can debate whether these photos are doing that.
But dont you think if that was their intention they would present their trophies in the best possible light (pun intended)?

And to the person who insinuated that NS is so power short that every second these new units are not on the road that NS is losing money and the railroad is screeching to a halt, please, stop. It makes you look ignorant. I know you know better than that.
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But dont you think if that was their intention they would present their trophies in the best possible light (pun intended)?

And to the person who insinuated that NS is so power short that every second these new units are not on the road that NS is losing money and the railroad is screeching to a halt, please, stop. It makes you look ignorant. I know you know better than that.
Unreal thread. Thanks for starting it. You really think NS cares if a roster shot is taken in perfect sweet evening light? Time is money... I can't believe you're ignorant enough to think NS should keep a new locomotive out of service longer than it needs to in order to get that 'perfect' shot. You should be happy NS recognizes RP enough to work out this deal in the first place. Sure they aren't perfect, that's not the point of these photos. You need to look no further than nscorp.com to see that NS doesn't care if a photo is artistically ground breaking and absolutely perfect according to an amateur train photographer web site.
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And to the person who insinuated that NS is so power short that every second these new units are not on the road that NS is losing money and the railroad is screeching to a halt, please, stop. It makes you look ignorant. I know you know better than that.
If you actually think that's what I was saying in my comment, then you are the one who should know better. What I was insinuating, in case you missed it, is that NS does in fact have a tighter schedule than the governor of South Carolina (or most other political office holders, for that matter).

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.............. I think he's doing a fine job, really people just because these are getting more views than your shots no need to nitpick, I think its really cool that NS is going through the effort to post these on here............
Sorry Joe, I have thought they all sucked from day one and I too have just kept my mouth shut.

It ain't about nitpicking.....

I just think if NS is going to photograph them, they should do a little better job.

Perhaps that is because I am from L.A. and know that you do not need to wait for a sunny day to photograph something.

If the sun ain't shinning, you call the movie lighting company and they make it like day.

Not sure why NS would spend all the time and money to paint these things and then drop the ball at the unveiling, but hey, what do I know.

Further, you know for a fact most of these images would not pass muster in the screening queue were they not coming from the mother ship.

NS may know how to paint them, but they sure have low expectations for their PR pictures.


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.........The photos would be accepted to RP regardless of who took them, so the argument that they should be rejected is moot.
Can I please have some of whatever it is that made you say that?

Because I think I could really use some of that pure optimism in my life right now.

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Can I please have some of whatever it is that made you say that?

Because I think I could really use some of that pure optimism in my life right now.
What were you smoking when Amtrak rolled out its heritage units? They let absolute sh** like this get on for the first AMTK units.
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Casey's shots are all competently done and are perfectly acceptable for the first shot of a specially painted unit.
Funny the people here that are complaining about the photos being unprofessional are the high sun catfish photoshopper and the guy that cuts off the lead engine and somehow still gets the shot accepted.
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The Pennsy shot from yesterday was even worse. But it wasn't long ago that Amtrak rolled out its special units and RP accepted sub-par shots to "be the first".

I assume (hope) they're paying him.

I understand they want to be the first to publish pictures of their special units, which to me is kind of a party-pooping thing to do. Isn't this the whole point of heritage units? See who'll be the first railfan to catch them on the road?

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Isn't this the whole point of heritage units? See who'll be the first railfan to catch them on the road?

Oh well.
Actually:
"First person to email altoonaworks(at)gmail.com with a good photo of the Juniata-painted heritage units will win a prize"

http://www.altoonaworks.info/heritage.html

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Think of the photos as more press conferences than official portraits. The only difference is that none of the press are invited. But I've got a feeling NS is not that keen on Casey waiting for better sun (or in the case of the PRR unit, any sun) to do his photos.

I went to a press conference today where the governor of South Carolina was on hand at a ribbon cutting for a new industry. It was cloudy, windy and a little chilly, but there was no way they could have postponed that presser for those reasons. I guess it's the same thing with the NS Heritage Unit photos.

If it were me, I'd want NS to spend just a little more time on the shots. Some of the yard shots have cruddy, old units in the background that should not be there. The nighttime shot of the N&W unit has really bad lighting on the front trucks. NS should realize that these are actually once in a lifetime shots of these units at their cleanest. But I understand the reasoning behind both them rushing the shots and RP accepting them. These page views are going to go where the Heritage units are. It's not like any of u would say, "I'm going to wait until they meet the fine, critical merits of this web site before I view them." So in that way, the onus is on NS to "put them in better light" than it is on RP.

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I went to a press conference today where the governor of South Carolina was on hand at a ribbon cutting for a new industry. It was cloudy, windy and a little chilly, but there was no way they could have postponed that presser for those reasons. I guess it's the same thing with the NS Heritage Unit photos.
I dont think that is a valid comparison. A press conference is not the same as a commercial photo shoot where quality is the most important thing. Plus, I would venture to guess that the governor's time is a little more tight than NS.
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Plus, I would venture to guess that the governor's time is a little more tight than NS.
Actually, I'd venture to guess that NS' time is tighter than the governor's. Matching up the need for horsepower with the schedule for trains is probably tighter than we tend to imagine - and if NS had a surplus of power sitting around, they wouldn't be buying a bunch of new units.

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A press conference is not the same as a commercial photo shoot where quality is the most important thing.
That was kinda my point, Troy. These photos are press conferences (minus the press) and not commercial photo shoots.
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Yeah. Maybe.....

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Charles, another shameless plug for another book! This time subtle, subconscious! Consciously no one will remember that your new avatar is the cover of your new book! (I remember! And I'm not buying it! Of course, I don't live in SoCal either.)
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If you make the connection to the book, J, then it's not subliminal. Actually, if I was doing that, my avatar would be the book cover... hmmm... maybe.... watch this space.

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If you make the connection to the book, J, then it's not subliminal. Actually, if I was doing that, my avatar would be the book cover... hmmm... maybe.... watch this space.

Please make a companion version of DC locals and I will buy it.
Fine, it's liminal! It's liminal!

As giving speeches to empty rooms in the Capitol is our only industry, it may not surprise you that we don't have much in the way of local trains to provide raw materials for that industry. Much to my consternation, there is not much here in the way of local yards.

I could probably get all the relevant info on the back of a business card.
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Fine, it's liminal! It's liminal!

As giving speeches to empty rooms in the Capitol is our only industry, it may not surprise you that we don't have much in the way of local trains to provide raw materials for that industry. Much to my consternation, there is not much here in the way of local yards.

I could probably get all the relevant info on the back of a business card.
...or is it SUPER-liminal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xx4BsBr2fU

With respect to the couplers, after doing some poking around (and asking my father) it seems that they're not quite Cor-Ten steel, but a different, stronger alloy that weathers in very much the same way to form a passivation layer and protect the steel below.

One question, though - I was under the impression that the Chinese painted their locomotives' drivers red in order to highlight any hairline cracks that would develop. What makes it different here?

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I was under the impression that the Chinese painted their locomotives' drivers red in order to highlight any hairline cracks that would develop.
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I just assumed they painted them red because they were communists.

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They spend a million on a new unit and I think the last thing they want to do is have it sit around when it could be out their making them money. After all that is what they are in business for to make money. If they take a picture and post it, it will make people go out and look for it, giving them lots of free PR.
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