Old 07-05-2010, 08:56 PM   #1
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How can I get this bright enough to get it to RP shape? Or, should I ditch this one? Thanks in advance!
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Old 07-05-2010, 10:29 PM   #2
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Who knows why they tagged it dark, I think cloudy is what they wanted. I don't care for the wide pointed up distortion and its cloudy too.
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Since shadow highlight abuse is all the rage these days.........
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Since shadow highlight abuse is all the rage these days.........
That looks like an oil painting.

I agree with Scott on the cloudy/common. Whatever you do, you may want to snag that dust spot in the upper right.
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Or you can try this shadow and highlights version...
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:43 AM   #6
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But oil painting get you PCA's......
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Your versions still too dark, if we are gonna play the shadow highlight abuse game why not go all out.
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To answer the OP's question: Dont shoot on a cloudy day would be a start.

If you wanted to get artsy, that would be a cool location for a fisheye
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To answer the OP's question: Dont shoot on a cloudy day would be a start.
Well, I know I shouldn't. But, even if it was pouring rain, I still would have gone out and shot D&H Lightning Stripes. It's unfortunate that it was overcast, but you can't move the clouds. I thought a wide angle could've overcome that, but clearly I'm wrong! I'm gonna try that once more with a ps-job similar to the one cal-railfan posted. If that doesn't work, oh well.
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Ive always found that wide angle is the worst way to go in crap weather. Usualy I try to find a bridge or somewhere I can shoot down on the train without including the sky, letting me expose for the train not the sky which will give you alot brighter image. Either that or a telephoto shot but with a pair of lightning stripes tele would defeat the purpose.
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Alright, the D&H one has been ditched. But, now I have a question on another reject. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=832201&key=0
Is there any way I can get this one into RP shape?
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To answer the OP's question: Dont shoot on a cloudy day would be a start.

If you wanted to get artsy, that would be a cool location for a fisheye
Troy I swear there are days where I wish I knew you personally so I could just tell you to STFU or something. OP Dont listen to the troll. It is clearly a fairly rare train and you did the best you could. On a sunny day it would be a winner, but maybe this one is meant for Flickr.
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Troy I swear there are days where I wish I knew you personally so I could just tell you to STFU or something. OP Dont listen to the troll. It is clearly a fairly rare train and you did the best you could. On a sunny day it would be a winner, but maybe this one is meant for Flickr.
Now, now. No need to get all mad at each other!

I did try my best, and unfortuantely, the conditions didn't work in my favor. But, if the sun was out, the high sun rejection would have been all over this, since it was taken at 1. Either way, it probably wasn't going to work.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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Troy I swear there are days where I wish I knew you personally so I could just tell you to STFU or something. OP Dont listen to the troll. It is clearly a fairly rare train and you did the best you could. On a sunny day it would be a winner, but maybe this one is meant for Flickr.
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Well played sir, well played.
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Well done Chase!
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Troy I swear there are days where I wish I knew you personally so I could just tell you to STFU or something. OP Dont listen to the troll. It is clearly a fairly rare train and you did the best you could. On a sunny day it would be a winner, but maybe this one is meant for Flickr.
Chill out man. This was pretty tame and 100% on as far as accuracy. He got rejected for underexposed on a cloudy day, what more do you want?

It was cloudy and he missed the exposure
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Troy;

With all due respect, don't tell people not to shoot on a cloudy day. Telling them not to expect to get the shot on RP might be another matter, but telling them not to shoot at all is pretty lame, truth be known.

The advice given about not shooting with a wide angle, esp. with that lens pointed up, on a cloudy day was dead on though. That's a recipe for failure. If I had been up there, I would have taken this shot too and probably been retty happy with it in spite of the weather.
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Alright, so that one's dead. Now, moving onwardly, any chance I could get some help with this one? http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=832201&key=0
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With all due respect, don't tell people not to shoot on a cloudy day. Telling them not to expect to get the shot on RP might be another matter, but telling them not to shoot at all is pretty lame, truth be known.
Thats what I meant, I guess it didnt come across that way.
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Alright, so that one's dead. Now, moving onwardly, any chance I could get some help with this one? http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=832201&key=0
That's another one of those types of shots that RP dont like.

Typically when you see backlit stuff accepted here, there is some sort of sunset, glint, really interresting lighting effects or something involved. I'm not sure this one would get in.
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That's another one of those types of shots that RP dont like.

Typically when you see backlit stuff accepted here, there is some sort of sunset, glint, really interresting lighting effects or something involved. I'm not sure this one would get in.
I'm gonna be honest right now. You're treating me like I'm dumb. I know the thing is backlit, but the lighting was very interesting. It looks like I photoshopped too much of the haze out. I know RP isn't much for uninteresting backlit stuff (trust me, I've had plenty rejected before), but I feel this one is interesting enough to have a shot. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I just really don't like being treated like I'm stupid.
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The lighting is interesting, but things are simply not arranged in an interesting way. I looked at various crops and I am not finding anything. To me the most interesting part of the light is a) the sheen/light on the road, and b) the light filtering through and under the trolley. But the down-from-above angle greatly weakens the latter, and having the sheen/light behind the subject does not help. The dull background does not help - dull backgrounds can be ok on a level shot, but in this down-from-above angle my eye, at least, keeps wanting to see what is behind the trolley, where the sheen/light is leading me to, and it is a big nothing. So I think the light had potential but I don't see an interesting composition from this high vantage point. If you put the main subject in the near foreground with a lot of open space you need a decent background for balance and I don't see one here.
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Alrighty, thanks Janusz. I guess I'll ditch that one. Oh well, I thought it had potential. But, I have plenty more stuff to submit so it won't kill me!
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