Old 12-07-2016, 01:12 AM   #1
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Rejected for loose composition? Not really sure what they could possibly be looking for...

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Old 12-07-2016, 02:31 AM   #2
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A slightly tighter composition??
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A slightly tighter composition??
Well obviously. But the fall colored tree on the left is worth includeing, and I wouldn't want to take anything off the right either as I think you need some space between the signal and the edge of the frame...so I'm not sure where to crop from. Seems unnecessarily picky to me.
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Seriously though I would try cutting some off the bottom and a bit off the right (halfway to the signal mast perhaps) and a smidge off the left but don't lose any of that nice maple tree. Then see if what you've got left warrants some off the top to maintain proportion.
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Sorry - didn't see your reply. I type slow...
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Sorry - didn't see your reply. I type slow...
No worries. I will give that a try, out of upload slots for today though.
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"smidge" on the left? plenty of space to cut on the left. Certainly up to the tree, and I might even take a bit of the tree. You pay a heavy price for keeping it in and, after all, that tree is as much a round ball of orange as anything. I'd give it more space in the frame if it were stand-alone.

Basically, you have two things you want to include in the frame and they are just too far apart for RP; well, certainly for me. Manage the tradeoff best you can.
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I'm just confused why the advice most people seem to give is "shoot the scene not the train" but then say the scene is too far apart or the comp is too loose. Makes no sense to me.
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I'm just confused why the advice most people seem to give is "shoot the scene not the train" but then say the scene is too far apart or the comp is too loose. Makes no sense to me.
RP likes it tight.

I tried several different crops and I still favor leaving the tree, If you're gonna cut into it you'll have to cut more than half of it cuz anything less just looked wrong. Try a crop something like this first, then if they still want more it's your call if you want to give in or just forget it.

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Good luck. I like the shot and I like the tree. But as many have said before me "I'm not a screener". Or a J for that matter.
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RP likes it tight.
Indeed, usually.

Hey Joseph, it's all a matter of taste. Although some compositions are tasteful to a larger fraction of viewers than others are.

In general, if you have something waaay over here, and something else waaay over there, you can end up with a problem, the distance becomes a bit too far for the mind/subconscious of the viewer to make the connection. So it feels "off."

I like WDS's crop.

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And I am not a screener either, but I am a J, although precious few think of me as "the" J.
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I'm just confused why the advice most people seem to give is "shoot the scene not the train" but then say the scene is too far apart or the comp is too loose. Makes no sense to me.
I think that most everyone here would continue to give the same advice. While Wayne has cropped the image as well as it can be done, Janusz has valid points about the separation of the tree and the train.

A "scene" has to be a cohesive collection of elements that play well together. The issue here is that your image borders on being two scenes - the train and the tree. In this case, tightening the crop helps, but there is still some separation.
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I like WDS's crop as well and I do agree with the initial rejection; just a bit too loose at the left and at the bottom of the shot.
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I prefered splitting the difference between the suggested crop and my original and it worked. Thanks

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