Old 11-22-2016, 05:01 PM   #1
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Just wondering what others thoughts are. I thought this was a pretty unique shot and opportunity that can not be had by non-employees, but both were rejected for distracting shadows. Not really anything that can be done about that do to the nature of the location, but it was not something that I thought impacted the overall image.

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Old 11-22-2016, 05:15 PM   #2
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I suspect they are simply too abstract, and not in a good way, for RP. Neither shot has an obvious focal point. They are both jumbles. The shadow may be the first thing that the (rushed, as always) screener clicked on, but one could click on other things. Hard to get over a specific technical deficiency when there isn't some other dimension, compositional, interesting light, etc., to carry the day.
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Old 11-22-2016, 05:27 PM   #3
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Well yeah they are intended to be more abstract that a roster shot. I think the "other dimension" you speak of would be the unique and rare subject.
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The second image is an obvious shadow rejection, but the first may be salvageable. Compositionally, it may have been a littlie less abstract had you shot from the end of the string; nonetheless, I still like it.

If I recall, you process in LR (as do I). Try dropping the white level, and maybe the highlights as well. Increase the shadows level, then bump up the contrast to counteract the resultant flatness. Properly done, this technique should minimize the differences between the lit locomotives and the shadowed flat cars.

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Old 11-22-2016, 06:20 PM   #5
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I'll give that a try. I would have liked to shoot from the end of the string, but there were so many locomotives they wouldn't all fit on the siding so the end of the string was under a bridge, and I didn't like the shadows that led, which were much worse than anything here.
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:21 PM   #6
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The second image is an obvious shadow rejection, but the second may be salvageable. Compositionally, it may have been a littlie less abstract had you shot from the end of the string; nonetheless, I still like it.
You said second image for both comments. Could you please clarify? thanks.
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Well yeah they are intended to be more abstract that a roster shot. I think the "other dimension" you speak of would be the unique and rare subject.
Well, the line between abstract and formless entity can be narrow. And that "other dimension" is just a tight angle on a row of trucks, really. Eye of the beholder.
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You said second image for both comments. Could you please clarify? thanks.
See my edited comment.
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:24 PM   #9
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Putting aside the shadow for a moment, I like number 2. The foreground is in focus, I can read some of the decal. , #1 not. #2 has lots of pop, foreground is in the sun. Number 1 is dull and foreground is in shadow. To me the whole point of late light is the light?

I don't if you submitted these together but generally I only put one in at a time of the same thing? Not sure if the first rejection could affect the second??As a viewer, one thing I dislike is seeing multiple very similar images.

Anyway, probably will not help with the shadow rejection except that usually after I say something the opposite happens.

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Tried a different shot, rejected for too tight. I'm confused....if anything I thought it might be too loose as submitted...
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Tried a different shot, rejected for too tight. I'm confused....if anything I thought it might be too loose as submitted...
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I'm guessing the rejection is due to the 'train' being cut off at left.
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Yea, that kind of rejection drives me ????? No room for this and yet we can see endless versions of the same thing lately.

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I'm guessing the rejection is due to the 'train' being cut off at left.
I agree. Recropping will result in a shadows rejection. I would leave this one go.
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Yea, that kind of rejection drives me ????? No room for this and yet we can see endless versions of the same thing lately.
Maybe it's just me but they seem to want nothing to do with these locomotives. idk but I thought this was much more interesting than endless gevo wedges. I know that there are some shadows but for a shot that can only be taken by an employee before the cars are pulled from the plant and buried in the CSX yard I figured they were still good shots.
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Joseph, for what its worth I really like your photo and I have to admit that if it was mine I would have probably gone with an even tighter crop. As for the shadows below, I enjoyed those too and feel they offered up some sort of framing opportunity at the lower left of the frame. What does not work today may very well work tomorrow, so don't give up on it just yet.

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Joseph, for what its worth I really like your photo and I have to admit that if it was mine I would have probably gone with an even tighter crop. As for the shadows below, I enjoyed those too and feel they offered up some sort of framing. What does not work today may very well work tomorrow, so don't give up on it just yet.

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Thanks, I agree I really thought the crop was too loose if anything.

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Maybe it's just me but they seem to want nothing to do with these locomotives. idk but I thought this was much more interesting than endless gevo wedges.
I agree that the subject material is more interesting.

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.....a shot that can only be taken by an employee before the cars are pulled from the plant and buried in the CSX yard ...
What in any of these three photos tells a viewer that? There are no discerning features that concretely identify the location. These shots could be duplicated on any double track line between the factory and the port of embarkation.
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What in any of these three photos tells a viewer that? There are no discerning features that concretely identify the location. These shots could be duplicated on any double track line between the factory and the port of embarkation.
Well that would be highly unlikely unless you catch them on a moving train. They are required to be buried in yards if they are stored for security purposes if being stopped during shipment. It's also stated in the location and description that these are from the interchange track between CSX and GE. Even if these photos don't explicitly state it, I don't believe that there are any other shots of these units from some other location. If it was so easily duplicated wouldn't you think there'd be some?
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My version of a crop for your photo Joseph - reduce the repetition of the "train", which does taper off into the shadows (on the left) and place more emphasis on the first well lit new loco.
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My version of a crop for your photo Joseph - reduce the repetition of the "train", which does taper off into the shadows and place more emphasis on the first well lit new loco.
yeah I was thinking something along those lines as well, probably will wait a few days before resubmitting though.
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Well that would be highly unlikely unless you catch them on a moving train. They are required to be buried in yards if they are stored for security purposes if being stopped during shipment. It's also stated in the location and description that these are from the interchange track between CSX and GE. Even if these photos don't explicitly state it, I don't believe that there are any other shots of these units from some other location. If it was so easily duplicated wouldn't you think there'd be some?
You're missing my point. The screeners don't care about any of these things. Just by viewing the image, there is no context to identify this as a unique location, which is what you think should mitigate other issues with the image. Also, with the number of foamers out there, don't kid yourself into thinking that no one else recorded these units somewhere out on the line. They just may not show up on RP.
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You're missing my point. The screeners don't care about any of these things. Just by viewing the image, there is no context to identify this as a unique location, which is what you think should mitigate other issues with the image. Also, with the number of foamers out there, don't kid yourself into thinking that no one else recorded these units somewhere out on the line. They just may not show up on RP.
Yeah I didn't mean that no one could have taken a picture, but I haven't seen anything on RP. I also wasn't saying the location was the unique aspect, more so the subject of 15 brand new non-north american locomotives on top of 8 axle flatcars. If that's not unique, then I really don't know what is. \_(ツ)_/

It's certainly as unique as any wreck shot that gets on, if not more so.

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Maybe it's just me but they seem to want nothing to do with these locomotives. idk but I thought this was much more interesting than endless gevo wedges. I know that there are some shadows but for a shot that can only be taken by an employee before the cars are pulled from the plant and buried in the CSX yard I figured they were still good shots.
I think they'd like to see them in a much more visible angle.

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I think they'd like to see them in a much more visible angle.

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Some useless information a month later (28th January 2011) these two locomotives had already arrived in Durban, South Africa and were on their way (dead hauled) to Koedoespoort in Pretoria to begin testing. I followed them out of Durban, KwaZulu Natal, but the weather was awful and then they seemed to vanish for a while. Tracing back on the line they were supposed to be on I eventually found them standing at a red signal following a CTC problem.
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