Old 02-29-2008, 01:49 PM   #1
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Hi,
I'm looking for any advice on this rejection.
If I can't make it acceptable to the DB, I'm already good with that, it's now my longest lasting desktop background...

Anyway, here it is, rejected for foreground clutter...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=489577&key=0

Now, I wasn't happy with any of my crops without the twig in the front, but would removing that be sufficient?

Thanks in advance...

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Old 02-29-2008, 02:11 PM   #2
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Pretty sure they are referring to the fence as foreground clutter. Clutter may be a poor choice of words in this instance. If you are referring to the twic on the sidewalk, I don't really think that is a problem. Go by the obstruction part of that rejection. Fences can ruin an awesome shot. Any way you can go back and get some elevation to shoot over the fence?
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Old 02-29-2008, 02:30 PM   #3
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It's definitely not the twig. The fence seems unobjectionable, part of the scene. Perhaps they feel there are too many leaves up top, too overbearing? Especially given how dark they are, it's really jarring in front of the light blue sky.

The light on the side of the train is poor. The trucks are dark. It is a "high sun" shot (which also contributes to those leaves being so dark). That would be the reason for the follow-up rejection, I suspect.

I'd put this one aside, go back and reshoot it someday.

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Old 02-29-2008, 02:39 PM   #4
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I think it's a very nice photo, well done and properly executed. For RP thouhg, the lighting is poor by their defiitions and that fence *probably" kills the shot.


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i really like it too
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I would try to brighten the picture a little and sharpen it. It will probably get rejected for being backlit but your photo does have a good feel to it.
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Thanks for the kind words all.
I am probably going to follow Janusz's take... This will be my desktop for a long time to come.
I get a lot of "postcard" type comments from people at work who see it, but it's not well lit enough to really pursue on RP.NET. The high sun would be the next cause of death.
Yeah, I could probably play with it a bunch, but you know what happens if you play with it too much.

There will be other days and I can't wait to try again!
This will give me something to work on... accepting the fence!!! I think from your encouragement of this, the location has a chance, but I need to improve everything else if the fence (and tree) are going to stay.

On to the rest of the batch. Got about 3 more that *might* have a snowball's chance...

Thanks!
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It's definitely not the twig.
I've looked at this image several times and I still can't locate the guilty twig.
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I've looked at this image several times and I still can't locate the guilty twig.
It's the stray branch with leaves lying on the ground in the foreground.
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Its not high sun, just thats its side lit. I would try a appeal . I think it is worth it.
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It's the stray branch with leaves lying on the ground in the foreground.
Well that explains it. I saw the leafy branch but I was looking for a twig.

Anyway, I think this is a really nice location, even with the fence there. With some good lighting, this could be a great shot. Or how about trying it with snow?
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I like the shot. So what if it's high sun. In this instance it works. The (unlit) trucks are hidden behind the fence, which is part of the scene and which, along with the brick walk, draws your eye into the picture. The shadow on the sides of the covered hoppers (proof that it's high sun) also provides some separation between the almost white cars and the white fence.

This works as a photo, although not necessarily from a railcentric perspective! You may not get it on RP, but it's a pleasing image, none-the-less.

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Its not high sun, just thats its side lit. I would try a appeal . I think it is worth it.
I don't have the EXIF info, but look at the shadows fromthe handrails on the nose...it's high sun.
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I don't have the EXIF info, but look at the shadows fromthe handrails on the nose...it's high sun.
Plus, the shadow from the fence is directly underneath it. Also, it's June 22nd in the photo and the sun at mid-day is at its most direct angle (aka: HIGH!) of the entire year.

High sun or not, it's still a nice scene.
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