Old 06-28-2013, 12:13 AM   #1
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We haven't chatted equipment here in quite a while ...

canonrumors on the forthcoming canon 70D, supposedly to be announced July 2nd. Looks like a reasonable incremental body to me. I wonder about the specifics of in-body HDR.

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/06/c...70d-spec-list/

Canon EOS 70D Specifications

20.2mp CMOS Sensor
DIGIC 5+
19pt AF System (All Cross Type)
7fps
Built-in WiFi
3″ Vari-Angle Touch Screen LCD
ISO 12,800 Maximum
Dual Pixel CMOS Autofocus
Full HD Video
HDR
Multiexposure Mode
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Announcement on July 2, 2013
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:22 AM   #2
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Is it supposed to be the upgraded version of the 7d? It needed it.

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Old 06-28-2013, 12:33 AM   #3
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Ugh... another Camera that makes pros feel cheated no doubt.

Look! It has almost everything our best cameras have and more - except that one thing you really must have. If you want that, you have to buy our better cameras without all that other stuff.

Our top of the line birthday cake does not have candles. Our mid range camera does and it even comes with presents but instead of cake, it's a cupcake made by Little Debbie.

When's the Mark IV due??

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I have yet to discover the advantage to in body HDR, except that you can tweak settings in the field instead of shooting 8 or more frames blindly.

The large sensor is a plus.
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Mitch: I don't follow. Why would a pro get irritated by a mid-level offering? I'm not going to go back and look, but I think there were a number of things on the 7D that are not on the 60D or 50D. The lines don't upgrade in sync so it isn't necessarily appropriate to compare the forthcoming 70D to the 7D.

Anyway, I think a pro is going to be more vexed that the 7D2 is still not here, assuming one is coming. Whatever pro interest the xxD series might have once held may have gone away when the AF MA was not put on the 60D.

Holloran: what large sensor? this is APS-C. Do you mean the modest mp increment over the 60D, 18 to 20?
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The 7d mark 2 or whatever they intend to call it is way late.
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I didn't know the last one was 18.

Is this a full frame sensor?

That is nice.
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I didn't know the last one was 18.

Is this a full frame sensor?

That is nice.
Obviously you are not shooting Canon ...

APS-C, as I said. That means crop sensor. 7D on down to 1100D or whatever the latest bottom of the line canon is, crop sensor. 6D on up, so also 5D variants and 1D variants, full frame.
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Obviously you are not shooting Canon ...
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No, on advice of another, I am now using a Rolliflex because it produces more challenging images.

In reality, I have been in the rarified air of the 5 series for so long, that I have no clue what is going on below.
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Pfft....I'll stick with what I have...
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Pfft....I'll stick with what I have...
Gee, Kevin - for all the extra money you still come up short:

Advantages of the Canon 70D

Touch screen YES vs No

Screen flips out YES vs No

Size Much smaller 145x106x79 mm vs 160x157x91 mm
Around 50% smaller

GPS YES vs No

Lens availability Significantly more lenses available 162 lenses vs 121

Thickness Much thinner 3.1" vs 3.6"

True resolution Higher true resolution 17.9 MP vs 15.9 MP

Price Much, MUCH less vs A really nice used car.

More as details become available... I'm sure.

Lol...

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Gee, Kevin - for all the extra money you still come up short:

Advantages of the Canon 70D

Touch screen YES vs No

Screen flips out YES vs No

Size Much smaller 145x106x79 mm vs 160x157x91 mm
Around 50% smaller

GPS YES vs No

Lens availability Significantly more lenses available 162 lenses vs 121

Thickness Much thinner 3.1" vs 3.6"

True resolution Higher true resolution 17.9 MP vs 15.9 MP

Price Much, MUCH less vs A really nice used car.

More as details become available... I'm sure.

Lol...

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Yep, the big, black camera comes up short in a lot of areas....until it's time for a duel in the dark at ISO 6400. Then the guys with the 70Ds will be the ones bringing a knife to a gunfight!
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Yep, the big, black camera comes up short in a lot of areas....until it's time for a duel in the dark at ISO 6400. Then the guys with the 70Ds will be the ones bringing a knife to a gunfight!
Yeah - you'd win that fight... Unless of course it was a knife taking picture fight in good light. Then the 70D guys could take photos while holding the camera over their head and wifi the images to their computer wirelessly with GPS nav points. And that's assuming you had enough cash to make the trip to the big fight.

You're home probably doing curl ups to prepare for any future photo outings

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Another Canon with flip screen...looks like my next body purchase within the coming year will be a 70D. I have all the glass I need so now it's time to focus on something better than the 60D with a flip screen (which I need for my job).

But something tells me I won't be able to find a new 70D body for $700 like I did for the 60D a few months ago. Time to start saving some extra $$$.
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Another Canon with flip screen...looks like my next body purchase within the coming year will be a 70D. I have all the glass I need so now it's time to focus on something better than the 60D with a flip screen (which I need for my job).

But something tells me I won't be able to find a new 70D body for $700 like I did for the 60D a few months ago. Time to start saving some extra $$$.
When the flip screen came out, I thought it was the lamest gimmick ever. Do you actually find it useful? Seems out of place on a semi-pro camera body.
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When the flip screen came out, I thought it was the lamest gimmick ever. Do you actually find it useful? Seems out of place on a semi-pro camera body.
I don't use the screen when shooting trains (or whatever else I randomly shoot), but I couldn't do my job without it. My first 60D, which is almost two years old, has been through a lot and the hinge for the screen is showing no signs of wear. I really wasn't expecting it to hold up this well with the daily abuse I throw at it.

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When the flip screen came out, I thought it was the lamest gimmick ever. Do you actually find it useful? Seems out of place on a semi-pro camera body.
I think too many people worry about what a "pro body" is. We get too concerned with whether or not we "look" right trackside. I shot with the Canon Rebel series for years and never felt out of place. The 60D is a step up, but I didn't find it to be a huge step up or anything.

Besides, I've never seen pro still photographers who work for newspapers (yes, they still exisit) or magazines use a 60D.

As for the flip screen, I love it. I don't always use it, but it's great to have it when I need it. For some reason, night time shooting on a tripod seems to call for the screen to be flipped out. Not sure why, but it certainly helps to have it. Also, low angle shots and shots from above my head are great to loosely frame the shot. Flip it out and pint it down or up (depending on where the camera is) and take the shot. This has also worked when shooting over frnces.

Oh, and it was great to have last year at Foam Fest in Spencer.
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I think too many people worry about what a "pro body" is. We get too concerned with whether or not we "look" right trackside.
I suppose there could be a marginal benefit to "looking" pro when shooting track-side. If one were to be accosted by some sort of well-meaning, but misguided law enforcement types, having "pro-looking" gear might make ones actions look a bit less nefarious. After all, I suspect that your average terrorist dirt-bag probably does not invest in pro bodies or f/2.8 glass. Why would they spend the money or make a big show of their activities, when they can look like a tourist and do it with a cell phone or a P&S camera, all of which have reached a state of quality in which they could be used effectively for reconnaissance.

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As for the flip screen, I love it. I don't always use it, but it's great to have it when I need it. This has also worked when shooting over fences.
Interesting observation. I used to own a Nikon P&S camera that had a flip screen. I thought it was pretty cool at first, but over the course of the 4 years or so that I owned the camera, I don't think I used the feature more than a couple of times. I can't say I've ever missed the feature since I've been using a DSLR (about 5 and a half years). I suppose it might be useful in a situation in which you try to get over a sea of heads by putting your camera on a monopod and holding it over your head with a remote release trigger. The foam-fest application might indeed be a good use for such a screen.
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If I had thought about it, I could have brought my monopod in and got even higher.
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I agree with Joe. I thought it was a lame gimmick, but I've used it when shooting over crowds during a glacier cruise and when shooting the bore tide after a super moon (hey, in Alaska, even the tide coming in is an event...it actually killed a guy this past weekend). I also like how I can store it with the screen protected or shoot that way so I don't get nose goop on the screen...
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I also like how I can store it with the screen protected or shoot that way so I don't get nose goop on the screen...
LOL....good topic for a new thread. "How to shoot without getting nose goop....or sun screen goo....all over your LCD". Even getting a pro camera won't solve that one.
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LOL....good topic for a new thread. "How to shoot without getting nose goop....or sun screen goo....all over your LCD". Even getting a pro camera won't solve that one.
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LOL....good topic for a new thread. "How to shoot without getting nose goop....or sun screen goo....all over your LCD". Even getting a pro camera won't solve that one.
It's a topic I can relate to as I have to deal with that every day. I have a lens/screen cloth clipped on my strap for frequent cleanings.
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