Old 08-04-2010, 11:02 PM   #1
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In another thread Troy objects to a shot that has shadows on the trailing cars but has lit power. How do you feel about those shots, and about shadows in general?

I have two shots, same location, where the power is completely or generally lit and shadows appear on the side of the train. As it happens, in both cases the power was pushing. I won't claim these as my better work, just simple wedgies, accepted a long time ago. I like the one in particular because one can see the train approaching its signal. Or, maybe only I can see it, having the memory of the situation, as the signals are hardly prominent:

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I wonder if they would be accepted today.

The third shot has irregular nose shadows, which reflect the nature of a good bit of the CSX Metropolitan sub.

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It was accepted only upon appeal then, if I remember correctly, and I wonder how it would do now.

Personally I am fine with the lighting in these shots, again, not my better work, and I think it is especially appropriate for the CSX nose shot. I do understand that RP and each of you may have differing tastes for shadows.

What I am really hoping for is that some of you post those shadow shots I love, those where the power is lit, the rest of the train is in shadow, and so the power really stands out in the frame. My shots are hardly good exemplars around which to build a discussion.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:34 PM   #2
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My personal favorite:
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I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG

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Old 08-04-2010, 11:47 PM   #3
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The cars aren't even part of the train! haha

Classic Rook shot, power pops even with all the nice elements surrounding the scene
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One of the reasons why I went to Harpers Ferry, to catch the rock train. Barely made it in time, shadows everywhere but the lead is in great light, really extenuates the power
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The whole shot is a shadow, which can work in your advantage.
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Probably my most favorite "shadow" shot
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Shadows, either big (3/4 or the whole scene) or small (on the nose, side, etc) aren't necessarily a bad thing. Working around them can be a pain, or can be easy. Make the most of the annoyance and it shouldn't be a problem.

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Old 08-04-2010, 11:52 PM   #4
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I think i only have three that fit the thread,

this shot the whole train is in shadow but the clean paint stands out.

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in this shot train hits a break in the hills at around the same time as the sun but the train remains in shadow.

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in this shot the low angle at sunrise causes the train behind the locos to be in shadow.

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Most of the pictures posted so far are not wedgies like the one I commented on
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Most of the pictures posted so far are not wedgies like the one I commented on
True enough. And I gave you guff in that thread not for your opinion but for your timing in expressing it. And this thread isn't about that thread or your opinion expressed there anyway, just inspired by them.

But how do you justify a) accepting a looser standard on nose light such as a half-lit nose (what I infer from your posts in the yet other thread) and at the same time b) not accepting some shadow on the sides of cars trailing well-lit power?

BTW, if I have your position on a) correct, I agree with you there!
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That's what I am thinking of! Nice.
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I've got some with bad shadows.
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But how do you justify a) accepting a looser standard on nose light such as a half-lit nose (what I infer from your posts in the yet other thread) and at the same time b) not accepting some shadow on the sides of cars trailing well-lit power?
There is no right answer there, I find an entirely lit TRAIN, with half nose light, or partially lit NOSE to be more aesthetically pleasing.

Using that other picture as an example, for all intents and purposes, the entire train was in the shadows except the locomotive, in some scenarios or scenes, that would be fine, sometimes spectacular. But in that one, (IMHO) it was poor.

And lets get real, it wasnt SOME shadows on the cars, 90% of the viewable cars were in the shadow. And if you want to split hairs, the nose wasnt 100% lit, some shadows on it too.

You got me on the timing of my comment. In posts like this, I dont take the time to read all the comments most of the time because they are mostly irrelevant to what I am going to say.

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There is no right answer there
True dat ...
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I've got some with bad shadows.

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Bad example, I think you were lucky to get that on
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Shadows on the nose...

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Old 08-05-2010, 02:22 AM   #13
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Shadows aren't always bad and certainly not always a killer:

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Old 08-05-2010, 03:43 AM   #14
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I think shadows can help highlight the subject and add to the depth.
Here are my shadow shots. Or was that shots with shadows?
Only The Shadow knows ....

A Troy peeve here
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Even mentioned shadows here
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Shadows for effect. One of my favourites.
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Shadows to separate the new from the old.
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Hmm... Giant foreground shadows aren't always problems.
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What Janusz is looking for:
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Shadows can really help set the scene by clearly indicating the time of day:
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Sometimes the entire train is in shadow, but the shot still works:
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Here is my bad light photo. Sun is a bit high but over all I liked it as it is. It's the overall scene that is the shot not just the power.
Others will think its bad and don't belong on here and some I know will think its fine and thats ok. The line runs NW at this point and all most never has good light on the front. Trash it if you like GRIN 8*} I have 1 shadowed shot on RP so this will have to do as I never post them, Soon to be deleted.
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all shadow, little bit of light

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Alot of the pictures posted are great, but they are not wedgies for the most part.
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A lot of the shots being posted aren't really shadows, but rather "intereting" lighting. If I read what Janusz wrote that way he intended, he means shadows falling onto the train whereas some guys are lining shadows falling off the train.
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A lot of the shots being posted aren't really shadows, but rather "intereting" lighting. If I read what Janusz wrote that way he intended, he means shadows falling onto the train whereas some guys are lining shadows falling off the train.
Correct, but no thread on any internet forum goes in the direction originally intended.
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Not falling onto the train, but I wondered if there was too much shadow in the shot.

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Shadow of cut of cars on second unit back.

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Probably helps that the entire train is in shadow, not to mention the power.

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Would not be accepted now

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I really enjoy Tim Stevens work with the shadows. With the sweet light he gets, it really pops the power and looks great.

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I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
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I love shadows as long as they are clear of the subject - train. I don't mind shadows on cars or trailing locomotives, but in my opinion the lead unit needs to be well lit with no shadows.

This shot below is one of my most recent favorites with shadows:
UP 7364 over the new Kate

This shot is probably my all-time favorite with cloud shadows and shadows from the mountain I'm standing on and the perfect sucker hole opening for the power:

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This was just rejected for shadows yesterday...but apparently it was accepted today on appeal. No fancy use of shadows, just them laying across the loco

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