Old 01-11-2010, 04:36 AM   #26
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:18 AM   #27
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The flexibility allowed by both of these pieces together has allowed me to get some shots that would have been impossible with a lower end setup (getting low to the ground, setting up on the side of a steep hill, having the neck out over a ledge, etc.). If you look at this shot, you'll see what I mean:

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I guess I'm blissfully ignorant but...couldn't you have gotten this shot without the tripod????
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:34 AM   #28
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I guess I'm blissfully ignorant but...couldn't you have gotten this shot without the tripod????
Yes, and likely not as sharp.

Good glass, solid tripod, mirror up, remote switch are details to follow to get the sharpest images possible.

You won't see the difference on RP but you will in a large print.

(I think Nick also did it on a tripod because he couldn't stand where he wanted without falling down the cliff.)
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:37 AM   #29
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I love to dislike tripods. But what I do like is a carbon fiber tripod I got used, light and stiff and sets up fast. I don't know the brand as it's an off brand and the silk screen rubbed off. Carbon fiber cost to much new but this one was priced right.
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(I think Nick also did it on a tripod because he couldn't stand where he wanted without falling down the cliff.)
Wouldn't two steps to the right of where Nick's friend took his shot produce the identical angle??
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Wouldn't two steps to the right of where Nick's friend took his shot produce the identical angle??
Oh, you know artists, go figure.
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At the Ford, I walked up to the most official person I could find at the entrance to ask if I could use a tripod. You could have bowled me over with her "Yes!" answer.

So, I'm there, taking shots on my tripod of 1601 and a friendly, senior age security guard came up to talk. I told I had permission and he said smiled and said "Sure, go ahead, we don't mind!"

A little while later a paunchy middle management 30-something security guard comes by and give me a hard time. I told him I had asked permission from the front office. He went away saying I had to stop soon. Right behind him was the senior guy. He and I exchanged eye-rolls.

So yeah, I had to move fast!
I've tended to find that unless you need to trespass (go someplace you're not allowed) to get a shot, it's best not to bother asking permission. Generally speaking, when you ask someone at a park, museum or other public place, that person won't likely be able to quote the official rules or policies. Rather than get hooked by their boss later for being the guy/gal who gave out permission, they'll give you the safe answer: NO! Unless there's a big sign that says: NO PHOTOGRAPHY, or something similar, go shoot. If someone asks you to stop, you can always sound apologetic as hell and leave. At least you'll walk away with something.

WRT The Ford, my logic was that I paid (dearly) to be there. I just threw my Manfrotto over my shoulder and walked in. I shot for nearly 2 hrs in there during the high sun hours and no one said boo to me the entire time. They have some beautiful stuff in The Ford. I just wish I had bought my 10-24mm before I went there. The RR stuff is packed pretty tightly.
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:12 PM   #33
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In the past year, the human interaction thing has been working on the big plus side for me so I will continue.

It's the middle management types trying to make their bones that are the most annoying.
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At the Ford, I walked up to the most official person I could find at the entrance to ask if I could use a tripod. You could have bowled me over with her "Yes!" answer.

So, I'm there, taking shots on my tripod of 1601 and a friendly, senior age security guard came up to talk. I told I had permission and he said smiled and said "Sure, go ahead, we don't mind!"

A little while later a paunchy middle management 30-something security guard comes by and give me a hard time. I told him I had asked permission from the front office. He went away saying I had to stop soon. Right behind him was the senior guy. He and I exchanged eye-rolls.

So yeah, I had to move fast!
Interesting story, Dennis! Thanks for sharing. I've had my fair share of experiences with people telling me to leave, or simply, informing me that railroad photogaphy is bad.

Ignoring is the best reaction, I've found.

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Old 01-11-2010, 03:52 PM   #35
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Wouldn't two steps to the right of where Nick's friend took his shot produce the identical angle??
Standing as close to the edge as I was was questionable, safety wise. Moving close enough to produce the angle for the resulting photo would have been impossible:

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Standing as close to the edge as I was was questionable, safety wise. Moving close enough to produce the angle for the resulting photo would have been impossible:

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For me, the difference in angle between needing the tripod and not needing the tripod wouldn't even come close to justifying the multi-hundred dollar tripod expense. Different strokes though...
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For me, the difference in angle between needing the tripod and not needing the tripod wouldn't even come close to justifying the multi-hundred dollar tripod expense. Different strokes though...
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As Ween said though, different styles of photography have different needs. If you use a tripod for more than 10% of your shots, or really dig being able to refine and fine tune your composition, than there's no doubt in my mind that something above the typical "big box" class tripod is worth it.
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I guess you can always take a few tree branches and screw them together and add a camera mount to the top. That should be able to do what a cheaper tripod can do. Ween is your pine or oak? j/k lol
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I guess you can always take a few tree branches and screw them together and add a camera mount to the top. That should be able to do what a cheaper tripod can do. Ween is your pine or oak? j/k lol
Thats how we do it in West Virginia, except we use duct tape to connect the branches.
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For tripods in NYC, we use cyclone fencing posts wrapped with razor wire...
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I guess you can always take a few tree branches and screw them together and add a camera mount to the top. That should be able to do what a cheaper tripod can do. Ween is your pine or oak? j/k lol
Ha ha ha. The money I would have spent on a tripod went into a lens with IS [/does not shoot at night, indoors, inches from the ground, or hanging out over a cliff]
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So, what you're saying is, if your friend had taken a step or two to the right to produce the same exact angle as you were getting by stretching your tripod out there, he would have fallen down the cliff? Was there a big hole between you and him and you had to do kind of a big U-shape to get from where he was standing to were you were standing? I'm really curious...seriously.
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