Old 06-23-2010, 06:06 AM   #1
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Had this one rejected for bad cropping, I get that it doesnt go with the rule of thirds really and theres alot of sky, but I was trying to make the transmission tower into a element of the photo instead of a distraction, plus thats about as close to storm light as we get here in GA so I wanted to show it.
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:29 AM   #2
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too centered, plus that power pole thing and power lines are not terribly interesting
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Old 06-23-2010, 11:29 AM   #3
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I'd suggest vertical, but I don't feel the tower helps the scene.

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Old 06-23-2010, 11:56 AM   #4
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I would try a little off the left and a little more off the top and it should be good to go...
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Old 06-23-2010, 03:25 PM   #5
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This seems like a case where you're trying to do too much with one scene. The power pole totally eats up the train, which is too far down in the frame. I actually like power poles in train photographs, but I believe in this case for it to work, you would have needed to be further back and zoom in on a shot.
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Old 06-23-2010, 04:28 PM   #6
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I like the scene, apparently more than most! The power tower is the point, the relative train size shows just how big the tower is, and the clouds fill the sky nicely, along with the wires. But there is a lot of dead space on the left and RP does not like square crops.

I tried the attached, went with a 5:4 horizontal. I cut into the tower a bit, not good, but then you had also cut into one arm just slightly. This might not fly (may want to try to submit it, hard to say, I guess Arne is saying go for it, can't hurt if your RP reject history is reasonable) but another visit to the spot may get you something, if you make sure you get the train on the left and not in the middle.
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:08 PM   #7
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I had a hard time composing this one and was debating going vertical but went against it for some reason or the other. I really wouldve liked to go more broadside to get more of the powercut but the weeds wouldnt allow for it and didnt have the time to get rid of them.
I dont think a crop that square would fly, which is why i left the train centered, my rejection rate isnt overly bad and most of them times its for minor issues, and I only have 2 slots so dont have much to loose anyways. Ill mess around with it on another day I guess.
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:58 AM   #8
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I dont think a crop that square would fly
In my experience 5:4 is acceptable, anything more square is not. That is apart from whether this particular image is acceptable.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:11 PM   #9
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Had this one rejected for bad cropping, I get that it doesnt go with the rule of thirds really and theres alot of sky, but I was trying to make the transmission tower into a element of the photo instead of a distraction, plus thats about as close to storm light as we get here in GA so I wanted to show it.
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Maybe you could try to cut the environment (poles, wires, etc) using Photoshop in order to mainly focuss on the train, then apply again.

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I had a hard time composing this one and was debating going vertical but went against it for some reason or the other.

That makes it sound like you only shot ONE picture. There is all sorts of natural beauty there. That scene would have supported dozens of pictures.

The tower seems to entirely different scale than the locomotive, sort of impossibly big, worse, smotheriong the train.

So I don't think you can include (use) everything in one picture.

If you were down lower and more off to your left, you would have the train at your level and the perspective of the train coming around the bend, emerging from the trees, with the storm clouds above the trees finishing off the picture perfectly, EXCEPT THAT the train is at significantly lower grade and from my perspective, renders that idea null and void, making dealing with the train from the side looking difficult to impossible. So earlier on you might have been able to get the train when he was at more natural grade, back closer to town.

Then spend some time looking at the tower and try to make it look more "natural" , which would mean making it appear as part of the power-line system of which it is a part. The fact that it may be pictured realistically does not really help if it does not "look right." For the what I presume is the immense scale of that tower, some way to capture that scale would be helpful, like the distance between towers, like occurs in the really big cross country lines etc.

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Old 06-25-2010, 10:41 PM   #11
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I have two photos actually, the above one and one that looks pretty much like this. Not any more time for more than that especially with a point and shoot.
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We couldve shot him in town but I wanted to try a new angle and my buddy hadnt shot this spot in awhile, plus we needed to be further east so we could get the A727 with a SD50 with full noselight that was waiting in the siding for this train (which was a fail anyways since we got cloud f'ed. )
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