Old 12-01-2011, 03:04 AM   #1
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Composition/Balance. Is the train too small for the scene? Or is it the tree blocking part of the second unit? Perhaps my personal fondness for this particular cemetery caused me to include too much of the cemetery at the expense of the train? Should I take up knitting instead of photographing trains?

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Old 12-01-2011, 03:07 AM   #2
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It's because the train is centered in the frame.
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:12 AM   #3
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Too much dead space.........

The lighting is flat and the composition doesn't quite work for me. Close but no banana.
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Ok, good enough. I think I knew that but was trying to make something out of it. Thanks.
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The train is on the wrong side of the trees.
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:45 AM   #6
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I think if you put the train between the trees to the right, with some of the cemetery still showing it would be better centered and cropped. There seems to be a lot of deadspace to the left, I like the idea very much, do you photograph this line often, there are more opportunities available.
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Not sure how much you can crop without losing quality but here is a quick take on how to compose at that location.
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Not sure how much you can crop without losing quality but here is a quick take on how to compose at that location.
Too tight, for my tastes! All those cut off trees ...
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Too tight, for my tastes! All those cut off trees ...
Didn't necessarily mean he had to crop this reject but maybe redo the shot with something like that in mind...trees are going to be cut off one way or another, just a matter of how much.
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Too much dead space.........

The lighting is flat and the composition doesn't quite work for me. Close but no banana.
Agreed. Nice photo, Mr. Pick and nice job thinking outside of the box. I see a shot there, it'd be one of those locations I certainly wouldn't throw away. There's something there to be captured.

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Old 12-01-2011, 12:42 PM   #11
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I think if you put the train between the trees to the right, with some of the cemetery still showing it would be better centered and cropped. There seems to be a lot of deadspace to the left, I like the idea very much, do you photograph this line often, there are more opportunities available.
Thanks. I do have a frame with the lead loco on the other side of the tree, but it's too wide angle a shot to crop. This location is only 3 or 4 miles from my house, so I can get back easily to try some different angles, etc.

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Not sure how much you can crop without losing quality but here is a quick take on how to compose at that location.
I see what you're getting at, and it confirms my suspicions that I was putting too much cemetery into it. This pic won't crop that far without getting fuzzy, but I'll go re-shoot it with a smaller FOV.

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Agreed. Nice photo, Mr. Pick and nice job thinking outside of the box. I see a shot there, it'd be one of those locations I certainly wouldn't throw away. There's something there to be captured.

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Thanks Chase. I'll go back and give it another look. I think there is a shot there as well, just got to uncover it!

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Looks like a good, but challenging location. keep at it. needs an unobstructed view of the locos.
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Your on the right path. Is there a side shot of the train available looking head on at the cemetary? If not, try something between the trees on the right and don't cut off the bottom of those graves.

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Looks like a good, but challenging location. keep at it. needs an unobstructed view of the locos.
Agreed. I think I can make that happen.

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There are a couple spots where I can square up and get a dead-on side shot of the train, but, the openings in the trees at those spots are just barely big enough to fit the lead loco in it with a perfectly timed frame (trains are running 45mph through here) and the window for the right light in those spots is about an hour each day. But that's a good idea and I'm going to give it a shot too.
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I'm not getting this location as one for RP. It's mainly that one tree over the second unit, but it looks like there's no good way to get the cemetery in the shot and not center the train in the frame because of all the other trees. Others are telling you different. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing it.
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Old 12-01-2011, 02:55 PM   #16
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I'm not getting this location as one for RP. It's mainly that one tree over the second unit, but it looks like there's no good way to get the cemetery in the shot and not center the train in the frame because of all the other trees. Others are telling you different. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing it.
You might be right Joe. I'll go back and try a little "foot zoom" and see what happens. Thanks.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:10 PM   #17
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I think that I'd crop out about one-third of the present image on the left, and an appropriate amount off the vertical. You may also be able to do this by adjusting your shooting position.

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