Old 08-21-2012, 06:33 AM   #1
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Well I tried the single rail shot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...97&key=1926751

Nope. PEQ.

So today I found more rail to shoot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...67&key=1133569

Nope. PEQ.

The idea is not original, maybe that's the problem.

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Any ideas on how to improve the image(s)?

The single rail has been replaced already so a re-do is out as an idea and the pile of rail is currently being loaded up and hauled out.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:33 PM   #2
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Well, when it comes to abstracts, there is even more subjectivity than usual.

The accepted shot benefits from all the interior blackness, it becomes a study in the cross section shape. It also has a mix of densities, sometimes the rail ends are close together, sometimes there are major gaps.

Yours is just a mass of stuff, relatively uniform in density of color and shapes.

There is no one way to do or view stuff like this and my opinions may be completely different tomorrow.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:34 PM   #3
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The two biggest differences in the accepted and rejected rail pile shot, is that he got down 'on the level' of the subject, which makes a tremendous difference in the composition for me. Also, the BW conversion has more detail to it, especially in the ends of the cut rail. Your photo has more of a walk up snapshot feel because you are shooting down on the subject, and there's just a mass of similiar looking materials.

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Old 08-22-2012, 03:06 PM   #4
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

I went back to the rail pile and shot it again at more of a "on the level" angle.
(I had to ask the crew if they would let me as they were loading it on a truck)

The question I have now is what is the best way to convert the image to B&W. I'd like to see what mine would look like in B&W. I have PSE 10 to work with.

I like both the color version with the varying rust colors and the accepted B&W with the detail and blackness.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:29 PM   #5
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Any of these versions better?

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Any suggestion to further improve this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 08-23-2012, 02:05 AM   #6
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I like top and bottom, and that single rail that is right way up, smack in the middle. Well done.

I don't know if there is enough room in the world for another damaged railhead picture though. One of something gets on and everyone seems to fall all over themselves to get their version on.

No offense intended. I like the stack of rails shot.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:09 AM   #7
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Random suggestion: how about a square crop, with that upright rail smack-dab in the center of the photo?

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Old 09-03-2012, 04:20 AM   #8
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Gathered another PEQ today to add to my ever growing collection.

I'll share it here and would like peoples opinion one way or another what could be changed or done differently.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...57&key=1142006


For the record, the pile of rail shot was attempted again with the idea of centering the middle rail but the screener wasn't buying what I was selling.

Thanks for the suggestions with that shot and now it's on to this one. The next PEQ.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:32 PM   #9
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For my tastes, it wants more of a square crop (perhaps your RP-intention made you do this crop instead?), and I find the shot has too much middle gray, the tonal mix seems off. Also, if you are trying to do what I will call simulated vintage, get rid of the modern backpack. Nice idea, nice first attempt.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:21 PM   #10
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I would love to see a close up of the guy with the camera, shot from the waist up, with the egineer leaning out of the cab (seen from numbers up) but burred out with DoF. I don't know if that would get you a Screeners Chouce or another PEQ, but it'd be a shot I wanted to see. Otherwise, I'd like to see the man shooting the train as it approached, the whole engne in frame, but with the man "in front of it" so to speak.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:09 PM   #11
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That's a great photo. The tables are turned with the engineer staring at the photog. The engineer has a WTF?? look on his face. That's great. Maybe crop in a touch so we can see the faces a little clearer.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:10 PM   #12
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Thanks for the responses.

Does this do it for anyone?
Missing backpack. Check.
(this can be done better if it works this way)
Cropped closer. Check.

Is the B&W look B&W or does it need more work?

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Old 09-03-2012, 04:51 PM   #13
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Perfect. But too bad you've already submitted a shot pre-cloaning.
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:39 PM   #14
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I wouldn't worry too much about the backpack.
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I might not worry too much about the backpack (although I wouldn't do it myself) but I'd worry about the spot where the backpack used to be. I bet if someone really looked more than I care to, it would be fairly evident that you cloned something out there.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:06 AM   #16
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I don't think I'm going to worry about the backpack either. I thought it was part of the scene and I just took it out quickly to see what if anything changed I guess. It was a quick removal job.

That guy walked up with it on his back, set it down, pulled out that camera, and set everything up. As we were standing there watching him he asked if we wanted to check it out so we all had a chance to look through it. I also thought it called for a B&W attempt too.

Pretty neat I thought.

At the time I didn't think a PEQ was in my future though.
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He asked if you wanted to look through his backpack, so you did?
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Lightbulb Opps.

Opps, wrong thread.

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Old 09-06-2012, 03:03 AM   #19
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Well he made it in.

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Thanks all for the help and suggestions.
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