Old 04-20-2012, 12:06 AM   #1
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Default Bad Color: Not enough color depth or too much color saturation

Chaps... Any ideas on this - having tried it with both, I genuinely can't tell if they mean it needs more or less colour.

Yes its a bit grimey but thats the point!

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Old 04-20-2012, 12:51 AM   #2
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Does anyone else think this shot looks, well, weird? Like it is a picture in an old magazine? I can't put my finger on it, but it looks off. Maybe it's just me.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:05 AM   #3
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Looks like a harsh, direct flash was used. It's a very interesting photo. I don't know if there's a way to soften the light in post or not. You didn't happen to take another shot with natural, or diffused flash perhaps? I'd reduce saturation, if I were going to go one way or the other.
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Looks like Norman Rockwell to me
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That's what I was thinking.
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Norman Rockwell, that's it! "me too"
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Norman Rockwell, that's it! "me too"
I think with this scene and what it's conveying, the processing effect looks great. They might think it's a little too saturated, but to my eyes it works really well.
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I think with this scene and what it's conveying, the processing effect looks great. They might think it's a little to saturated, but to my eyes it works really well.
Got no problem with that in general. And for all I know, there is a "Norman Rockwell" plug-in for PS! But for RP purposes it looks "off". RP generally doesn't do "special" processing.

Other than candyland.
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Got no problem with that in general. And for all I know, there is a "Norman Rockwell" plug-in for PS! But for RP purposes it looks "off". RP generally doesn't do "special" processing.

Other than candyland.
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The processing was tastefully done on the rejected shot and I love the feeling it conveys. I wish I knew the secret to that type of processing. Perhaps there IS a plug-in.

The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a Jack Delano image from the 40s.
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It looks like film. Beautiful shot. My only suggestion would be slightly more contrast/less shadow lightening. Essentially the blacks look a little too washed out to me.

Again, great photo. Tells a story. Informational. Lots of texture. Grit.
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I'm probably more irritated this shot was rejected than Mark! WTF?
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When was the last time those walls were painted? LOL!

If this doesn't get on, please put in on Flickr so I can favorite it there.
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It is indeed a terrific photo with intense interest that certainly deserves to be on RP or anywhere for that matter.

Indeed, I go along with the Norman Rockwell/Jack Delano/old color process thinking here.

As much as I like the photo however, I do have some thoughts.

To get on RP, I think less color contrast and a bit less saturation would do the trick.

Also I believe what played into the rejection is that the on-camera flash robbed the scene of eye pleasing highlights and shadows. If the light had come in through windows or from the right or left or bounced off the ceiling, that would make the shot a shoo-in.

Finally, while the color palette as shown maybe perfectly rendered, I venture it is unknown to the USA screener's eyes thus triggering the rejection on color grounds.
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It is indeed a terrific photo with intense interest that certainly deserves to be on RP or anywhere for that matter.

Also I believe what played into the rejection is that the on-camera flash robbed the scene of eye pleasing highlights and shadows. If the light had come in through windows or from the right or left or bounced off the ceiling, that would make the shot a shoo-in.
Those were my thoughts exactly, as I stated earlier in this thread. It is a very interesting shot that I hope gets accepted, but I don't know that there is a lot of magical Norman Rockwell plug-in post processing going on here. Just very direct flash and then some messing with contrast, color, etc. Of course I could be wrong - I have been before...
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Also I believe what played into the rejection is that the on-camera flash robbed the scene of eye pleasing highlights and shadows.
Yes! This is why the dark parts of the photo (black desk) look too bright, like it had been HDR'd or something....still it looks pretty good.
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Yes! This is why the dark parts of the photo (black desk) look too bright, like it had been HDR'd or something....still it looks pretty good.
Plus anything with a glossy surface has glare on it. Still a great image though. Bounce flash would have helped, but for all I know the ceiling may be 40' tall, I wasn't there.
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Right, first up thanks for all the comments and advice.

It was certainly not overly processed (or HDR) and it was indeed the in-camera flash that gave it a harsh feeling. Sadly there just was no natural light of any strength and no strong shadows that could have given it more interesting angle, I'm not generally one for taking portraits, hence the lack of proper equipment but when the chaps there had allowed us to use their office as a VIP waiting room I thought it was too good an opportunity to miss - especially as a station manager in the UK!

Oh and for anyone interested - the full set is on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/youthwi...7629474338858/ along with photos from India on the same trip http://www.flickr.com/photos/youthwi...7629474393256/.

Thanks again. We'll see what the acceptance gods say this time....
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Glad to see it made it on. The content and composition and the story they tell make it a great image. Good work!
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Cool! Glad to see it.
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Nice to see that it got in. Having visited few remote stations in India, I have seen how difficult the task of the staff at these station is.
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Glad to see it made it on.
Thanks, my next trick to hget it on was to call myself NorfolkSouthernCorp!
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