Old 06-22-2010, 09:19 AM   #1
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These shots, taken on the same railway, were all rejected for PQ.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=437440127
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1232171406
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=826840&key=0

My initial thought was that the screener assumed they were of a toy train or theme park railway.

I appealed and explained that it is a 7 mile long World famous 15" heritage line in the English Lake District. These are serious steam locomotives, one of which is now 116 years old. Definitely not a toy.

The Appeal was rejected. The problem is that they may have been rejected for the same reason (PQ) or some other reason, e.g poor cropping, backlit etc. I don't know because no reason is given, only that the appeal is rejected.
I have many others taken on this line, which I needn't bother uploading now, even though there are already about ten on the DB taken on the line.

Any thoughts anyone? Do you think they are PQ or something else?
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Old 06-23-2010, 05:21 AM   #2
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Graham

I feel that the two close up shots with the ball-cap driver don't work because we cannot see his eyes. Since he is so prominent in the oiling shot, he is the meaning of it. But since we cannot see him, we are let down since we cannot relate to him.

The locomotive shot, while technically excellent, is common framing. Again we can't relate to the driver, the framing is too tight, the loco is centered and thus we have a hard time moving our eye around. Love the wiper and the dog but what's up with the ball-caps? Give me grease top's!

And this is said by a man who loves 15" gauge and hopes to see the Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway for himself one day.

Just my opinion, of course.
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I don't know what is so hard to understand. They were submitted, then rejected, then appealed and rejected. Seems pretty self evident to me. FWIW, the shots don't do much for me either.
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I don't know what is so hard to understand. They were submitted, then rejected, then appealed and rejected. Seems pretty self evident to me. FWIW, the shots don't do much for me either.
Ooer. Sorry I bothered everyone then.
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I quite like the third photo (despite the poor lighting, blown out sky and creepy woman staring directly down the lens) but the other two leave me cold. As has been said though, if you've appealed and been rejected then that's it.
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I don't know what is so hard to understand. They were submitted, then rejected, then appealed and rejected. Seems pretty self evident to me. FWIW, the shots don't do much for me either.
Could you be a bigger jerk? Seriously. Its not obvious because of the PEQ. None of those are PEQ, IMHO. Maybe different cropping or angle, but not PEQ. Love the last one.
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Maybe upload the ones that don't employ weird crops, bad lighting, and actually SHOW the line and it's steamers, instead of little parts of already little locomotives?

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Graham i like the detail of the shots, valve gear,backhead polished brass etc and the human element but agree with previous posters for RP more of the scene.
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Not related to the quality of your pictures, but I chose not to submit any of my photos from England because I was worried about exactly this.
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Not related to the quality of your pictures, but I chose not to submit any of my photos from England because I was worried about exactly this.
Worried about what? Xenophobia?
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My 2

First shot:
Maybe an even tighter crop - the rail is slightly distracting and it would emphasize the man oiling the gears a bit better. If that doesn't work, then I'd say the photo does not look like the "real deal" for that particular screener and you only hope is the tastes of the screener who would see the appeal.

Second shot:
Very bright (too bright?), greenish cool (temperature) photo with the engineer cut off. A bit tighter crop here would benefit but not sure if it would be enough to get on to RP. (Crop the "extra" in front of the cab - it adds nothing, in fact, it distracts).

Third shot:
NO DOGS ON A TRAIN allowed on RP. Or - perhaps the screener did not like the shot since the engineer was facing the wrong way. I like it - if you were tighter on the top left and "looser" in the crop bottom right, it may help.

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Worried about what? Xenophobia?
Spending too much time getting rejected for foreign power, cloudy day
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My 2

First shot:
Maybe an even tighter crop - the rail is slightly distracting and it would emphasize the man oiling the gears a bit better. If that doesn't work, then I'd say the photo does not look like the "real deal" for that particular screener and you only hope is the tastes of the screener who would see the appeal.
Shame his cap covers his face - kills it for me

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Very bright (too bright?), greenish cool (temperature) photo with the engineer cut off. A bit tighter crop here would benefit but not sure if it would be enough to get on to RP. (Crop the "extra" in front of the cab - it adds nothing, in fact, it distracts).
Agree with that but think cutting the guy in half kills it - tighter on the left, whole guy on the right = might work.

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NO DOGS ON A TRAIN allowed on RP. Or - perhaps the screener did not like the shot since the engineer was facing the wrong way. I like it - if you were tighter on the top left and "looser" in the crop bottom right, it may help.

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I think the engineer facing the wrong way kills it and the light could be better. Then there's the dog factor...

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