Old 06-01-2010, 11:41 PM   #1
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Okay, when I found this train I was fully aware of the lighting shortcomings. So I went with a wide angle and got alongside the nose to eliminate the dark half, and thought that the visible half was lit enough that it would be acceptable in context with the rest of the image. I liked the wide open feel of the shot, a bit of greenery thrown in, and good light on the bulk of the train. I was rejected, but wondered if this was close enough to appeal in the opinion of others.

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I do have another shot where I am even further alongside or even with the nose so the plow is not dark and the poorly lit portion is really minimal. Slightly inferior composition though (fewer green parts), and it is not quite as good (to me) as this one.

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Old 06-01-2010, 11:58 PM   #2
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Its luck of draw on what screener you get and some will let that on some won't. I see bad Color balance for light that low as in you set it AWB, You lost a lot of the yellow golden light, Perhaps they check the wrong box and its the color thats off??
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Yes, the shot has a nice, wide open feel and there's an interesting bit of greenery, but looking at it through the screener's eyes during the screening process, it's still just a 3/4 wedge of a UP widecab.

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This is just stupid............
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Yes, the shot has a nice, wide open feel and there's an interesting bit of greenery, but looking at it through the screener's eyes during the screening process, it's still just a 3/4 wedge of a UP widecab.
Understanding that RP is full of 3/4 wedgies of widecabs, I simply can't grasp an understanding of RP's obsession against LESS THAN (thanks Jim) fully lit noses, even half noses in shadow, whether as here, because the other half is not visible, or in other shots where only one side of the V nose is lit. I just don't understand why that is such an undesirable characteristic of a wedgie image.

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Well, Nikos, I have no idea why you think it is stupid, but I agree with the sentence. This is perhaps my biggest peeve about RP.
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Yes, the shot has a nice, wide open feel and there's an interesting bit of greenery... - Chris
Yes, it is. Fits the criteria for acceptance on RP. Like so many similar shots already accepted in the database.

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...but looking at it through the screener's eyes during the screening process, it's still just a 3/4 wedge of a UP widecab. - Chris
Yes, similar to many shots previously accepted on RP. But, this one was rejected.

As far as backlighting is concerned, I can't even see the side of the nose that is not fully lit, though, like Janusz, wouldn't have a problem with the image if I could.

Consistency seems to remain an issue. Though there are four separate screeners, there should not be four separate guidelines.

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...I simply can't grasp an understanding of RP's obsession against fully lit noses...
If that were actually true, we'd all be in business!
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You can see the whole train, and the wide angle makes it appealing to me.
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Maybe it's just partially backlit noses that are a problem as having a photo that is completely backlit can yield a POTW...

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Consistency seems to remain an issue. Though there are four separate screeners, there should not be four separate guidelines.
In my experience, Mr Kilroy and Mr Starnes have almost identical screening criteria. I have often had them screen my photos around midnight (AEST). I can't comment on the other two.

There are inconsistencies but I see inconsistencies in duty managers everyday at work purely because they're individual people with different ideals and opinions. If you're looking for the same the world over, then McDonald's is your place.
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I thought there was 5 screeners. Am I missing something?

Also, Michael, how do you know which screener screened your photo?
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It is a guess ...

Many photo appeals are also processed at this time and from what I've read this is done by site administration only.

I thought Andrew B was also a screener but he's not on the list.
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Thanks for the input so far. Based on what I've read, it seems as though an appeal might not be out of line? Anything special I should tell the screeners to sell it?

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It looks like it might be a tad under exposed. I like it just as much as most of the folks above me other than that. I'd work on the shot just a bit before appealing. If you shot RAW, I'd go back to what Richard said and see if sliding around the color temp or white balance yeilds better results.

I like the wide angle use here.
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I thought Andrew B was also a screener but he's not on the list.
Gone a Month or so, for some reason I was on the page that listed them. No ones talking so I left it alone.
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Used to be that I would get rejection emails from Admin@... on occasion. I haven't gotten one of those for at least a year or 2. They have all been screener@...
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My experience is that at least half of the nose of the engine needs to be well lit.

Having said that, this photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...290228&nseq=16 seems contrary to that would be rule-of-thumb.
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That's the nice thing about McDonald's - you always know what to expect regardless of which order taker you submit your order to.

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Okay, so I resubmitted, but I used the JPEG (I shoot both JPG and RAW) because the Nikon D-Lighting lightened up the shadows and the color was slightly different on the JPEG. I know the effect on the nose was subtle, but I commented to the screeners what I was doing. Still rejected.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1254231805

This makes me wonder if an appeal is even worth it or should I do still more reworking? I do have that one shot a bit further forward, but it ain't that much better as far as "hiding" the nose and you can't see the end of the train so well.
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I like half lit and dark side shots to a point, Didn't we talk about this a year or so ago.
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Do you think a cleaned up version of this shot could get on here? I tried once before and got "backlit".


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No. Fine compostion, but wrong side of the train for sunlight unfortunately.
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No. Fine compostion, but wrong side of the train for sunlight unfortunately.
Thats why I posted in this thread, seems like "wrong side, backlit" have gotten on lately if the overall scene is good. Maybe this one is not good enough.
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Do you think a cleaned up version of this shot could get on here? I tried once before and got "backlit".


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Was the train moving? Do you have one where it's further back? I feel the dark side of the engine is too prominent in this shot. If you have an earlier one where the train is smaller, it might have a chance.

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Shadow / Highlight tool the heck out of it Troy. That appears to work nowadays.

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