Old 12-03-2008, 06:11 PM   #51
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Jim - that guy in the background in the picture with the dog that scared ya - that was the kid in John Dziobko's Strasburg picture all grown up!
No way, Mitch, it looks more like this guy:



Have you been hanging out with Brian Peppers?
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Old 12-03-2008, 06:26 PM   #52
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No way, Mitch, it looks more like this guy:



Have you been hanging out with Brian Peppers?
I'd love to see your photo library with all the stuff you pull out.
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Old 12-03-2008, 06:36 PM   #53
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I heard from a source that they may be interested in one of the jets that the automakers are putting up for sale.
Yep, maybe not, but people might think these links are interesting:

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.railpictures.net
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.jetphotos.net
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I'd love to see your photo library with all the stuff you pull out.

Google!
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Google!
I would like to see your keyword imagination gallery then!
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:25 PM   #56
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Yep, maybe not, but people might think these links are interesting:

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.railpictures.net
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.jetphotos.net
I wonder how close it really is.
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.dewitzauto.com

My business site doesn't have ads but it says it does. I think they just make estimates based on daily page views.
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:32 PM   #57
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I wonder how close it really is.
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.dewitzauto.com

My business site doesn't have ads but it says it does. I think they just make estimates based on daily page views.
Interesting, it equals about 0.3 cents per page view for both RP and JP.

But hey, here is the huge news, my site is worth $876!!!! That's two lenses, a second body, something! And with no ads!

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.ra...c.blogspot.com

Travis, how did you get your value up to $956? Hmm, I am waaay behind on posts, need to get to it!
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Interesting, it equals about 0.3 cents per page view for both RP and JP.

But hey, here is the huge news, my site is worth $876!!!! That's two lenses, a second body, something! And with no ads!

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.ra...c.blogspot.com

Travis, how did you get your value up to $956? Hmm, I am waaay behind on posts, need to get to it!
The one I checked was the business, dewitzauto.com.
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Wow...

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The one I checked was the business, dewitzauto.com.
I am sorry to report to you that the value of your business website is about the same as an exceedingly-narrow niche blog with no new material in a month.
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Interesting that Jetphotos.net is rated tripple what Railpictures is. Sure are alot of aircraft foamers! Funny, I never see any when I'm flying

I looked up Trainorders - they do not have ads either yet they report daily sales as does Railfan.net. Even RYPN which has no adds reports daily income of $5.33. Nothing for AB2Photography just yet. I wonder how well Railpixsucks was doing before going belly up.

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Mitch, there's a reason you don't see aircraft fanatics. If aircraft foamers behaved like railfans on excursion trains, they'd be shot by the TSA people. Can you imagine sweaty, overweight men in unwashed clothing trying to open the doors on the aircraft to take pictures? Or asking to get in the cockpit?

Seriously, though, I think this thread is a total riot. I admire Knapp's technical proficiency with the lighting setup, but I think the post-processing has a long way to go. And it's not only the night photos; one only need to look at the recent VIA train fiasco. The "re-edit" that Knapp uploaded wasn't even the same photo.

Some of the night shots are fine, and some of them have that totally overprocessed "Thomas Kincade, Painter of Light" kitshy look to them. I think the biggest source of fuss here is that most of us know that if we submitted daylight shots that had the same issues (excessive shadow/highlight, dodging/burning, absolutely wild saturation, artifacting, etc. ...) that our photos would be kicked to the curb ... and rightly so.

Should the same quality standards hold true for night photos, or does the technical effort required trump the visual shortcomings of the final product?
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I think Gary said he was using Nik Viveza software. I have not used that software, but the look is very similar to what I get with Topaz Adjust. It's basically like shadow-highlights plus saturation and detail (sharpen) control on steroids. It can give a great painting-like effect that works very nicely in some situations. I don't think RP.net's statement on image manipulation would allow for this type of effect, but they make an exception for Gary and his photos are exceptionally well received.

As for the speculation about the snow in front of the headlights, I'd be willing to bet that's a result of some sort of "detail" slider being cranked up in the software. It's bringing out every flake plus the details in the trees behind the headlight beam.
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As for the speculation about the snow in front of the headlights, I'd be willing to bet that's a result of some sort of "detail" slider being cranked up in the software. It's bringing out every flake plus the details in the trees behind the headlight beam.
Interesting.

His RP Photo Article shot has falling snow (perhaps not as densely) but no evidence of the light beam (and is much more reasonably processed to my eye).

http://www.railpictures.net/articles/article.php?id=23
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Interesting.

His RP Photo Article shot has falling snow (perhaps not as densely) but no evidence of the light beam (and is much more reasonably processed to my eye).

http://www.railpictures.net/articles/article.php?id=23
Look a little closer, I see faint beams from all the lights.
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Look a little closer, I see faint beams from all the lights.
I can now see just a bit of yellowish snowflakes caused by the main beams (not the ditch lights). I wouldn't call it a beam but I can sort of trace the path a bit. Maybe a weak monitor.
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Interesting.

His RP Photo Article shot has falling snow (perhaps not as densely) but no evidence of the light beam (and is much more reasonably processed to my eye).

http://www.railpictures.net/articles/article.php?id=23
Do you see beams of light during the day with snowfall?

My guess is the flash is so bright that it drowns out the headlight beam, kind of like shooting in the day.

Here's an example. I just took this today and it was snowing at a pretty good clip, but a beam of light is not visible:

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Do you see beams of light during the day with snowfall?

My guess is the flash is so bright that it drowns out the headlight beam, kind of like shooting in the day.
First of all, let me be clear, I am just pursuing the discussion, I am not the one to ask about night snow photography.

But I don't understand your point. The shot I was referring to is a night shot.

Whatever the effects of the flash are, they were different in the shot the thread is discussing and in the shot that I linked to.
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But I don't understand your point. The shot I was referring to is a night shot.
I guess I misunderstood your point, then. You WERE talking about this shot, right?



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So, you made it a point to state that it had no evidence of a light beam. That is what I was responding to. Did I do so incorrectly?
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Yep, maybe not, but people might think these links are interesting:

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http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.jetphotos.net
Well if non-elite members would stop clicking on the dang ads the daily ad revenue would go down!
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So, you made it a point to state that it had no evidence of a light beam. That is what I was responding to. Did I do so incorrectly?
Yes, I think our ships are passing in the night.

At some point someone mentioned the beam of light and talked about processing. I pointed out that there is another Knapp shot in the dark with snow falling but no beam.

You said a) the flash drowned out the beam, and b) showed a daytime shot of your own with no beam.

I said in response to a) that there are two shots in what appear to be similar conditions, presumably shot in the same manner, and yet one has a beam, so it doesn't seem like the flash is drowning it out, otherwise both would have no beam.

In response to b) I now say that I don't see the point of bringing a daylight shot into the discussion. Unless your point is that the sunlight drowning out the beam is equivalent to a (sizeable) flash setup doing so.
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Why does this train look so much closer to reality???

Image © Gary Knapp
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to this

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Photograph © Gary Knapp


I'm surprized the small change of footprints in the snow. I'm not hinting at anything either, just pointing out.

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I'm surprized the small change of footprints in the snow. I'm not hinting at anything either, just pointing out.
The foot prints look fine to me - there are more of them in the D&H shot, but that's just because time has elapsed. Not even OWL(2) can prevent that from happening.

What is interesting is seeing the change in the lighting setup for the second shot. You can see a flash unit on the overhang of the roof in the D&H shot

I think the D&H shot was processed much better than the Holiday Train. I'd love to play with the RAW data from that image to see what I could do with it... that might be a fun topic for another thread (post a RAW... see how others handle color/saturation/etc/etc).
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The foot prints look fine to me - there are more of them in the D&H shot, but that's just because time has elapsed. ).
I didn't mean he did something I just couldn't believe with all those people there is still a couple of larger untouched spots of snow. Canadians are scared of fresh snow I think. What a horrible place for them to live with that phobia.
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I didn't mean he did something I just couldn't believe with all those people there is still a couple of larger untouched spots of snow. Canadians are scared of fresh snow I think. What a horrible place for them to live with that phobia.
Travis, on the basis of a detailed analysis of human spatial scattering in the context of social aggregation at times of locational dispersal, draws a studious cultural/meteorological conclusion and so goes off the deep end.
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