Old 01-15-2015, 02:35 AM   #51
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Doggone it, sometimes I wish it were all about the views -trust me, I have a dog in that fight!

The question is, why are some views worth more then other views to RP?

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Old 01-15-2015, 03:47 AM   #52
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On a side note, I have no issues with the photos I linked - I favorited one, can you guess which one, lol. They were not the best examples I could've chosen as the majority are actually quite interesting and well composed.

I'm glad they were accepted - I was able to scroll past the ones I didn't have any interest in and enjoy those I found appealing. There's more to "great railroad photography" then pretty pictures as evident by the inclusion of wrecks, pretty girls, displays and news items. So then, if wrecks, cut off trains and psychedelic BNSF shots are accepted on the premise of views, why not then, something as unique yet informative as a photo illustrating a French policy illustrated by the capture of a dog on a train? Try as I might, I have not yet been able to find a bear on the rail in my travels.

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Old 01-15-2015, 04:32 AM   #53
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And the fact that so many people fav'd and voted for those pieces of art (intentionally not calling them photographs) has me scratching my head at what appeals to people.
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:59 AM   #54
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Again---I hate to say anything bad about someone's "art," but I'm left to scratch my bald head on these...
If a person thinks it's good enough to share, then fair game in my book.

I have a huge collection of crappier than what I post photos, which will never be seen for that reason. I post only that which I can thoughtfully defend.

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If a person thinks it's good enough to share, then fair game in my book.

I have a huge collection of crappier than what I post photos, which will never be seen for that reason. I post only that which I can thoughtfully defend.

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So you're holding out on us...... if they get accepted then good. I always like seeing obscure West Virginia shots from spots that aren't even on a map. Post more photos Loyd.
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Post more photos Loyd.
I am due for my once a month submission..

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I have a huge collection of crappier than what I post photos, which will never be seen for that reason. I post only that which I can thoughtfully defend.

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I am due for my once a month submission..

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I'm sorry you're having such poor luck with your photography, Loyd. Have you considered taking a photography class at the local youth center, or community college?

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I'm sorry you're having such poor luck with your photography, Loyd. Have you considered taking a photography class at the local youth center, or community college?

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We don't have those kinda things round here...

I just need to go find some huritage oonits.

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Backlit nose, should have been rejected! (LOL)

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Backlit nose, should have been rejected! (LOL)

Huge amount of vintage value overcomes all.

What I can't make sense of is the track spacing- looks wrong somehow.
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Superelevated curves, with the back one at a lower elevation by a couple feet, I think.
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That would have been a great shot even with a BNSF unit. Backlighting and little light on the nose is something folks should strive for in rail photography---not avoid. RP's guidelines there are not what any self-respecting photographer with any experience would suggest.

Geeze!!!
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That would have been a great shot even with a BNSF unit. Backlighting and little light on the nose is something folks should strive for in rail photography---not avoid. RP's guidelines there are not what any self-respecting photographer with any experience would suggest.

Geeze!!!

That's what I think too. I posted that pic to make this point, albeit ironically. The pic shows that the backlit nose is by no means a negative at all.
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For decades I have lived in two different photographic worlds.

In train land, everything is supposed to be front lighted, no shadows and everything in tack sharp focus.

In cinematography, you want heavy back or side lighting, black shadows and focus that is very narrow, usually just around the eyes.

Just opposite mindsets that I internally have to deal with.
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For decades I have lived in two different photographic worlds.

In train land, everything is supposed to be front lighted, no shadows and everything in tack sharp focus.
For decades, I have lived in two different geographic worlds:

In Europe, we also like pictures with "no light on the nose", light coming from three quarters behind, that highlight shapes and textures, give depth to the picture thanks to beautiful shadows (of course exculding high sun).

In the USA in general and in RailpicturesLand in particular, trains are supposed to be front lighted, no shadows etc.

I maintain that this is a matter of taste and also local culture. This is also a rule that some school of photography - or railfan community - decides one day and it becomes a general law without further flexibility or second thought.

Even in the USA, you have not always been this restrictive. Just take the masterpiece book "A passion for Trains" by Richard Steinheimer, I have found 14 "plates" that RPN would have rejected with their "no light on nose" + "disturbing shadows" + "backlit" selection criteria! (not counting silhouette shots)

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To the above 4 posts- Amen!

I could be wrong, but didn't purists of bygone days obsess over light on the drivers (not the nose) ?
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I want cloudy days, and nights with clear skies.

To hell with sunshine under any circumstances.

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I suspect the light-on-the-nose RP standard was instilled to avoid an onslaught of poorly lit garbage that you normally see on rrpicarchives. Just my hunch.
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I don't like to take digs at anyone's work, but apparently I have learned nothing from the experience of rail photography, or posting to Rail Pictures. The fact they were accepted blows my mind. What REALLY blows my mind is that the were PCAs. Maybe I bought a ticket to the wrong carnival.

The SP shot at Caliente is incredibly bad. The screeners must have been smoking crack or watching porn while they were reviewing uploads then, because I've rarely seen anything like this be accepted.

Again---I hate to say anything bad about someone's "art," but I'm left to scratch my bald head on these...
I am with you Ron.

While I am cheered that RP seems to have eased up on the standards, what has happened is that they now know what crap to let in that will appeal to base standards.

I would have to back to a statement of yours I really thought hit the nail on the head.

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To the above 4 posts- Amen!

I could be wrong, but didn't purists of bygone days obsess over light on the drivers (not the nose) ?
Low light on the drivers, with rods down, were a couple of the rules for the "engine picture" kids in the '30's.
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The people have voted and this photo is getting wide acclaim. Image of the day on trainorders. Most popular on RP. Now screener's choice, but should it have been accepted by RP? To me, yes, but isn't there a LIQ issue with the orange clouds? This is just an example of why images with flaws should be accepted rather than rejected and throw into the dust by the mavens of RP, citing "low aesthetic quality", and the full range of the photo should be accepted at look at rather just the light on the nose, etc.

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The people have voted and this photo is getting wide acclaim. Image of the day on trainorders. Most popular on RP. Now screener's choice, but should it have been accepted by RP? To me, yes, but isn't there a LIQ issue with the orange clouds? This is just an example of why images with flaws should be accepted rather than rejected and throw into the dust by the mavens of RP, citing "low aesthetic quality", and the full range of the photo should be accepted at look at rather just the light on the nose, etc.

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What is LIQ? Low Image Quality?? Looks fine to me.

A for your order, I would say that popularity followed selection of IOTD and the SC, not the other way around. Heck, if you made "Dog on a Train" an IOTD or gave it an SC, it's popularity would quadruple. This is not to say it's not a very appealing photograph. Why would it not be accepted on RP? There are hundreds, if not thousands of exceptions made on RP in regards to photos without light on the nose or trucks. Those guidelines are more oriented towards photos where poor light detracts rather then ads to the image. I think Steve did an exceptional job here. The photo, with it's vibrant colors, interesting composition, glint on both the rails and train (as well as headlights and number boards that are not blown out) fits the description of "best photos on the 'Net", the kind that RP seeks, as noted by the SC.

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It's not LIQ, it's ISO 1000 and f/6.3. Light like this demands that we push our cameras to the limit (unless you have professional grade stuff, which most of us don't), and you can't expect such a photo to be as clear and sharp as a photo taken in sunlight at a lower ISO.
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The people have voted and this photo is getting wide acclaim. Image of the day on trainorders. Most popular on RP. Now screener's choice, but should it have been accepted by RP? To me, yes, but isn't there a LIQ issue with the orange clouds? This is just an example of why images with flaws should be accepted rather than rejected and throw into the dust by the mavens of RP, citing "low aesthetic quality", and the full range of the photo should be accepted at look at rather just the light on the nose, etc.

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The clouds look fine to me, but then again, I'm comparing it to the clouds in a sunrise photo I took of Denver back in December. Similar texture and similar looking image quality.

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