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Nikos, I do believe that you are incorrect. That location is very nice, but it is way overshot. As Troy said, TJ has a lot of shots from there. I just did a search and he has 215 shots taken in MN mentioning Dakota. Seems that greater than 3/4 of them are at that locale.
If it's a nice location and he's getting different trains there, I don't see why we should care if he keeps shooting and loading the shots here. First of all, we're long time viewers here, but RP does also cater to the occassional visitor. Not everyone sees one of those shots from the same location and goes, "Wow. He's really over shooting that location."
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Wow... I thought I had alot of shots at Newtonville.
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After following this side discussion I really feel impelled to comment on the following (sorry Loyd for grossing up your image).

Looking at Loyd's image, I really don't know why anyone would think he was standing on the track while taking it.

The dynamics of the image don't support that conclusion and why?

Attachment 5911

Look at the shadows on the circled objects and the direction of the sun.

Where a person to stand over the gauge to take this their shadow would be right in the middle of the frame and most of it would be in the shade.

Further, where the photographer to have been on the other side (180 degrees difference) there would be a pretty significant glare coming off the rail head from the sun and everything would be backlit - which they are not in the image.

(See how the side of the tie in the top of the frame is illuminated all that way down into the ballast?)

Consequently, there is some trick that was used to get this, like being on a bridge.

Additionally the flatness of the image as shown by the lack of contrast between the heights of the tie surface and the tie plate are indicative of some tele-smashing (compression).

Ergo, if you know what you are looking at and how to produce that type of image it is clear that Loyd was not doing anything unsavory.
He was kidding. No one said anything.
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He was kidding. No one said anything.
I was late to the thread.

And - I just wanted to blather on an on about it.

Mostly just to see if anyone wanted to argue with me about my analysis of Loyd's image.
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If it's a nice location and he's getting different trains there, I don't see why we should care if he keeps shooting and loading the shots here. First of all, we're long time viewers here, but RP does also cater to the occassional visitor. Not everyone sees one of those shots from the same location and goes, "Wow. He's really over shooting that location."
Talking about over shot spots that are not even that interesting to look at:

Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Robert Pisani
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Image © Dave Toussaint
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Photograph © Michael R. Frei
Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Note: Photo choice was solely based on what came up on the search first, not based on who shot it.

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After following this side discussion I really feel impelled to comment on the following (sorry Loyd for grossing up your image).
You made some interesting observations that I wouldn't have thought of. Thank you!

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Where a person to stand over the gauge to take this their shadow would be right in the middle of the frame and most of it would be in the shade.
So where's the shadow of the bridge? Did he photoshop it out?

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I'm still looking for the "add awesomeness" button in PS...

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No one considered the possibility that Loyd is really, really..... really tall.
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No one considered the possibility that Loyd is really, really..... really tall.
I'm tall, but only tall enough to play small forward in the NBA.

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Did someone actually "Call Out" James Belmont???

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Talking about over shot spots that are not even that interesting to look at:

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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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Image © Michael R. Frei
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See. That's the thing. "Not interesting to look at" is an opinion. It's your opinion. I've never been to that location or the one that Thomas Johnson shoots. I find it very interesting, more interesting than the ten or so locations around where I live that I can shoot regularily.
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It's all relative to where you call home range for most people. I do think that if you can't offer a new composition from the same location you have personally added to the database 3-4-50 times, it's time to stop uploading it.

Whether or not certain photographers get preferred treatment on their shots, I couldn't answer that. I do know that if everyone tried to be their harshest critic regarding their work, that instances of perceived special treatment would be lessened simply from the reduction of questionable photos being uploaded.

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Well.... It is astonishing the amount our views differ from each other. The confusion people have of the rejection reasons is also comical. I would have accepted at least one of Steve's cloudy images. It was well processed, had a mood about it, well composed, and was still bright with color. But what would happen after that? As Chris said, everyone with a very dark, poor composed, or technically flawed cloudy shot would be complaining that theirs was identical to the one that got accepted.

The photos that Thomas has had accepted from the same location. What's wrong with them? I personally try to change my composition of the same location but not everyone has too. He has perfected the shot to his tastes of that location. I don't care if he shot 10 trains in 5 minutes there, they would all be different. Would be boring to look at in a row but what if you are searching the site for just Soo Line, or Amtrak? What if you are a paying customer that wants to buy a shot from that location but your a locomotive leasing company? I'm sure if Thomas did a art gallery showing, he would probably only pick one from that location. RP is more of a database then a gallery.
What about the lit pillar shot? How isn't that railroad enough? If you know the history of the area you would instantly recognize the look of those bridge pillars. If you aren't familiar, read the caption.
The list of should have been rejected cloudy shots. Come on. I may have rejected 2 or 3 of them but the rest of that list are very scenic, well composed, well done, and look good. Shooting with out the sun is not even close to being the end of the world. I prefer shooting without direct sun more often then with it. Sunny shots are usually stripped away of all and any mood, story, and/or feeling. When you want that sharp, color popping, happy shot then good sunlight is a must.

Loyd's rail shot? Why was that brought up? Are you rail police now? lol Nothing says trespassing in that shot. He couldn't have shot that wide standing over the rail without using something under 22mm, if you ask me and that would have had a completely different look and feel.
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I see Lloyd has sucked Travis in too with his little joke towards me
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I was trying to generalize what I see in the forums often with specific examples from the thread.



Sorry, I assumed everyone wore a mind reading helmet when on the internet.
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I see Lloyd has sucked Travis in too with his little joke towards me
Loyd and suck go together in a sentence quite nicely...

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Bingo. Or rather, it mixes both, across a range, and you choose the spot on the range you want to upload on and that you want to view on.
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Bingo. Or rather, it mixes both, across a range, and you choose the spot on the range you want to upload on and that you want to view on.
I can accept that, but why do they even have the "too similar" rejection.

I recall some time back Lloyd had an issue because he had a shot similar to Chase that got rejected, even though it was a little different.
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Here is a cloudy one that certainly belongs
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Different train, different time, same location

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Different train, different time, same location

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I was just referring to the need of the similar to previous rejection. I can't help your case of standing in the river in the dark with Chase.

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