Old 02-03-2007, 01:19 PM   #1
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I was told by someone that this site has a few pictures of mine, of his, and several other people's. Sure enough, right on the front page is a shot of mine, not even credited to me, with the copyright info intentionally left off. I see some railpictures.net contributors on here, too.

If one of your pics is on here and this bothers you, send him an email. It looks like you might have to do it in Spanish, though.

Some people do not seem to care about such things, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The person did not ask, he took the time to remove the copyright, and did not credit a picture. I usually don't mind if someone asks.

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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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http://ferrocarrilmexicano1.tripod.com/

I was told by someone that this site has a few pictures of mine, of his, and several other people's. Sure enough, right on the front page is a shot of mine, not even credited to me, with the copyright info intentionally left off. I see some railpictures.net contributors on here, too.

If one of your pics is on here and this bothers you, send him an email. It looks like you might have to do it in Spanish, though.

Some people do not seem to care about such things, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The person did not ask, he took the time to remove the copyright, and did not credit a picture. I usually don't mind if someone asks.

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Old 02-03-2007, 04:49 PM   #3
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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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That is likely the case, but there are two railpictures.net guys with work on his site. I highly doubt he asked them, though that is just my assumption. My intent here is simply a heads up to those who may want to know, not to start a debate.

Then again, look at my avatar. It's stolen.
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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
My thoughts exactly. That's the sentiment that it may not/doesn't effect me so who gives a hoot.

On something like this, if someone's pictures are being taken advantage of without permission, that's one to many in my book.
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That guy's pop-ups are worse than RP's ever was...every single thing you click on leads to a pop up.

It's odd that he credits some people's work (John Witthaus and Jim Matuska), but others have nothing, like Pat's. Fortunately it doesn't look like he's passing of any of these photos as his own or that he's trying to profit directly from them, but it looks like his site is solely for informational purposes only.

I'm not sure how copyright info or intellectual material or the courtesies of using such material is handled in Mexico, but I'm with Pat that this guy should have at least contacted the photographer in question and/or at least left the copyright bar in place...
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For myself, if it's non-profit, then I don't care if people use my images, as long as they don't modify it, and as long as they make a link back. Though, it is common courtesy to ask before using.

If someone's trying to use them for commercial gain, then I expect royalty payments. If someone tries to pass them off as their own, then I get angry. Thankfully, that's not yet happened to me.
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Well, if you care you actually can "force" them to remove the work in question. This is done through sending their ISP a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) DCMA letter. This site explains it and has a sample template (last one at the bottom). Basically you do a whois search (google it) to find out who hosts the site and the HOST not the owner's contact info. In this case it's a tad more difficult because Tripod doesn't provide anything other than a mailing address, so try finding a contact e-mail for Tripod, or just mail it to them.
Basically you send the people that host the site for the owner because they are somewhat liable for copyright violations. From stories I've read chances are they'll take down the offending site almost immediately.
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Well, if you care you actually can "force" them to remove the work in question. This is done through sending their ISP a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) DCMA letter. This site explains it and has a sample template (last one at the bottom). Basically you do a whois search (google it) to find out who hosts the site and the HOST not the owner's contact info. In this case it's a tad more difficult because Tripod doesn't provide anything other than a mailing address, so try finding a contact e-mail for Tripod, or just mail it to them.
Basically you send the people that host the site for the owner because they are somewhat liable for copyright violations. From stories I've read chances are they'll take down the offending site almost immediately.
Thanks for the info. This was resolved today, but I will keep this in mind if something happens again.
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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
That's not what I'm meaning by this - what I am intending to say is that those of us who don't have photos pertaining to what he wants may not have to worry about browsing through his site. He seems to want photos in Mexico (go figure ). However, unfortunately, some photos, even when not in Mexico, still may be at risk in a case like this, such as this one:

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My original question concerned whether or not photos like this one were being used. It didn't imply that it was okay to use these photos, regardless of where they were taken.

As I was originally saying, does it seem as though photographers like me and the person who took this above photo are at risk for our photos being stolen by the author of that site?

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That's the sentiment that it may not/doesn't effect me so who gives a hoot.
If my photos get harvested, what are you going to think? You won't "give a hoot" either.

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If my photos get harvested, what are you going to think? You won't "give a hoot" either.
Here here! Copyright infringement isn't a laughing matter. I'd come in shooting of someone stole my pictures w/o giving me credit. Hell, I'd be pissed if someone used my shots on a website, gave me credit but didn't ask first.
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One seemingly simple fix for "theft" of RP images is to "lock" the photos - I've been to other sites where you simply do not have the ability to copy the images. Either there is no "copy" dialog box or it simply does not take.

I think this site should really look into such a feature.

Another less secure method - one I believe Jet Photos has - is to add a watermark. This kinda interferes with the viewing, however.

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On Fotopic sites there is an option in the user menu to disable the right click function which makes it harder for people to "lift" images. However I do not think that it deters the really determined.
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However, unfortunately, some photos, even when not in Mexico, still may be at risk in a case like this, such as this one:

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It doesn't matter if a photo on this site is of a Mexican engine or not; all of them are equally vulnerable to theft.
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It doesn't matter if a photo on this site is of a Mexican engine or not; all of them are equally vulnerable to theft.
I'm being specific to the site that caused this thread to start - they seem to want Mexican photos only.

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One seemingly simple fix for "theft" of RP images is to "lock" the photos - I've been to other sites where you simply do not have the ability to copy the images. Either there is no "copy" dialog box or it simply does not take.
Great idea, Mitch. I've always wondered if there was a way for RP to do that...

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On Fotopic sites there is an option in the user menu to disable the right click function which makes it harder for people to "lift" images. However I do not think that it deters the really determined.
Unfortunately you are very correct. It's almost easier to simply press ctrl+prt screen (on the keyboard) and copy the whole screen. Then you cut it down to size and have whatever you want, even if they were locked.

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Also, it is possible to find the link to the photo off of the HTML file and just download it from there (I know this from making HTML files). If somebody really wants to snatch a photo from the internet, unfortunately there is no way to stop them.

Personally, I am OK with having photos of mine used on other websites as long as credit is given. I usually like to be notified first though.
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i have 9000+ images saved.

none, do i sell.

or clam as my own.

i'd like to have this one too-

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One seemingly simple fix for "theft" of RP images is to "lock" the photos - I've been to other sites where you simply do not have the ability to copy the images. Either there is no "copy" dialog box or it simply does not take.

I think this site should really look into such a feature.

Another less secure method - one I believe Jet Photos has - is to add a watermark. This kinda interferes with the viewing, however.

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That'll work for about 65% of everyday web surfers, however, a person with even modest experience in HTML and basic internet browser use will know that once you view a photo, the image is retained in your cache until it's replaced by more recent data, the cache is filled up, or you manually clear the cache out.

Ultimately, if you don't want to run the risk of your photos being pirated by someone on the internet, the best way around it at this point is to just not post them publicly.

With that said, EVERYONE who plans to be a serious photographer of ANYTHING should learn as much as they can about metadata of their photos and try to provide as much inforation into the photos as possible.

All of my photos have metadata within the files that include my website URL, name, copyright registration, photo information, and photo editing software used. Even this is not 100%, but it gives peace of mind, because not many people are willing to dig through the metadata codes to clean out this info, and many don't even realize it exists.

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besides, I'd LOVE to be a strawberry picker! Working with my hands in the earth and the open sky above. On the other hand, I've got boat payments...
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All of my photos have metadata within the files that include my website URL, name, copyright registration, photo information, and photo editing software used. Even this is not 100%, but it gives peace of mind, because not many people are willing to dig through the metadata codes to clean out this info, and many don't even realize it exists.
I wondered about that metadata stuff because as you said, I can just open up the image in PS and erase it and/or add my own info and say, "Nooooooo, I took this shot. See the metadata?" I wish you could lock the metadata with a password or something like you can for a Word document...
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