Old 02-03-2011, 01:50 PM   #151
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It is fascinating that you want to live in Sacto.

You know the reason why they made it the state capitol right?

Well no one wanted to live there and the land was cheap and there were no political agendas to putting the state government there because it was the desert.

However, if you are into water skiing and inland boating and fishing like people do in WI, Il and SC then delta life would probably suit you well.

Summer is a drag though.

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Old 02-03-2011, 02:03 PM   #152
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I would CONSIDER living there if it was not for the high housing prices (even post-bust), ridiculous taxes, high crime, high utilities costs.

Too much baggage. Maybe my opinion would change if I actually lived there for a while though.
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Old 02-03-2011, 02:13 PM   #153
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Wink Na, stay in Florida.

The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.
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The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.
So you mean to tell me that there is no way to defend myself from the crazy Fullerton platform whores?

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Old 02-03-2011, 03:11 PM   #155
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The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.
C'mon, we all know California allows open carry.
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C'mon, we all know California allows open carry.
Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

To get the permit you take a class and pay the fee.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.

In CA weapons must be unloaded and in a locked container and you need to be on your way somewhere, not just driving around.
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In Canada if you want to take your handgun (if your allowed to own one at all) from home to the shooting range, you have get permission from the Gov't.
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Well, it is pretty evident from the U.S. Constitution what pissed off the colonists when they left England.

Big on that list was the monarchy, free speech and guns.

It is no accident that free speech and guns are numbers one and two on the list of amendments.
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How about Watts or Inglewood? I ate lunch in Inglewood once... I won't do that again, ever. I'd never seen an abandoned mall before that day...
Well, here in 'Dis'gusta, Georgia, we have an abandoned mall, was the largest mall in the Southeast or in Georgia at one time. As of late it seems like the city is going to hell. Heck, I got robbed at gunpoint back in December. Not fun I tell ya, but I guess it gives me more street cred. to go to time exposures in East St. Louis!
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It is fascinating that you want to live in Sacto.

You know the reason why they made it the state capitol right?

Well no one wanted to live there and the land was cheap and there were no political agendas to putting the state government there because it was the desert.

However, if you are into water skiing and inland boating and fishing like people do in WI, Il and SC then delta life would probably suit you well.

Summer is a drag though.
The Sacramento area is pretty much the only spot in the state that I'd ever consider living. 1.5-2 hours from San Fran and the ocean in one direction, less than an hour from the mountains and snow in the other. Yeah, the temp in the summer can get hot, but I'd rather have 100 and dry heat any day over 90 and humid that we get here in Michigan. I loved both summers I lived there and wasn't bothered by the heat at all. Plus, when I lived there, the cost of living was quite average when compared to where I have lived in Michigan. That is something that really appealed to me. I really like downtown Sac (probably because of the trees) and Old Town kicks ass. I'm more partial to the Roseville area though, not only because I used to work there, but because my brother and his family live there as well. If I didn't have things holding me back here in Michigan, I wouldn't think twice about moving there again. There is no other city in this country (outside of Michigan) that I am more familiar with. I consider it my second home.
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Well, it is pretty evident from the U.S. Constitution what pissed off the colonists when they left England.

Big on that list was the monarchy, free speech and guns.

It is no accident that free speech and guns are numbers one and two on the list of amendments.
The Bill of Rights was the third "adjustment" to our governing mission statement. It came after the Articles of Confederacy and the Constitution (which replaced the Articles).

The other issue here is that none of the Founding Fathers came from England. Now, they were most certainly of English ancestry, and they were born English subjects, but they were all from the Colonies (and the West Indies, which were also colonies, just not ones that became part of the USA). The Pilgrims came here for freedom of religion, yes, but that was for freedom to practice their religion, not for freedom for everyone. My 14 greats grandfather was the religious leader of the Pilgrims, William Brewster.

The right to bear arms comes from the English Bill of Rights itself, which was more than a hundred years earlier... moreover, even then, it was not giving a right, but rather re-stating it.

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Lightbulb Lets not forget one little thing Charles.....

For part of the time that our "governing mission statement" was in effect, this was England.

These folks really had balls cause if things ended up badly, they would all get hung.
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For part of the time that our "governing mission statement" was in effect, this was England.

These folks really had balls cause if things ended up badly, they would all get hung.
Which would have resulted in my not being here...

The Magna Carta was not a bad "governing mission statement" itself. The prevailing issue of King George (who was teetering on insanity) and taxation without representation were what led to the Revolution.

I have no complaints regarding the Bill of Rights... and think it is perfect as it is... I just think we need to look at these things in their proper context.

Had the Colonies had true representatives in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and had the King been reasonable, would they have turned against the mother country? Probably not.

Was the Bill of Rights written to refute the English manner of government? Hardly, it seems to copy it in many ways.

Was the Bill of Rights written to clarify what the nascent country's leaders wanted to ensure would never be taken away as instructions to those who would succeed them? Most likely.
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Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.
Florida actually does not allow open carry by anyone except for law enforcement and licensed security guards. We used to have open carry up until the mid 80's.

You can carry a loaded weapon in a car, but there are several stipulations.

Even if you have a concealed carry permit, a loaded pistol cannot be on your person. It has to be at least "2 steps" removed. IE: in a holster, in your glove box, or in a holster and inside a tupperware container, etc.

If the weapon is a rifle or shotgun, it can be loaded, does not need to be concealed or be 2 steps away. IE: it can be on a gun rack or on your seat, etc.

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Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

To get the permit you take a class and pay the fee.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.

In CA weapons must be unloaded and in a locked container and you need to be on your way somewhere, not just driving around.
Arizona used to be the same way. Now they changed the law to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit. Still the Wild, Wild West out here.
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