Old 01-01-2009, 12:04 AM   #1
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Having spent a bit of time this morning working over a scan of a slide, I found it irritating to find this shot also accepted today:

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Couldn't the photog have put some effort into the sky? Just do the basics, get rid of the awful stuff? Why was this accepted? Yes, I am calling out someone who is a complete stranger to me. On the other hand, he will get a bunch of views because of this thread.

Now, I will be open minded about this. It can be an expensive hobby, and if someone can only use, say, Picasa, and the software can't fix this sort of stuff, well, you can't make everyone buy software, I suppose. On the other hand, RP does have a standard which, for example, seems to be squeezing out low end P/S cameras because of low image quality. So people who can't afford a better camera are also out of luck.

So, should this sort of thing be allowed?

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Old 01-01-2009, 12:55 AM   #2
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Lack of software isn't an excuse, I've edited many a photo on irfanview or even paint that I got rid of dust spots in.
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You don't need fancy software. A clone or healing brush would have cleaned that up.
No money? Download a trial version.
I'm also surprised it got accepted.
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Lack of software isn't an excuse, I've edited many a photo on irfanview or even paint that I got rid of dust spots in.
I'm nowadays using Photoshop Elements, but not too long ago, I was still using that as my full-time photo editor. Dust spots were easy to remove, copy a piece of the sky right next to the spot and then paste it right on top of it. Then, if needed, blur the spot to remove the "box" that would form over the spot...

Moved from that to Helicon and now from Helicon to Adobe. And I'll never go back.

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Now, I will be open minded about this.
Given what I am reading here, my mind is closing ...
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:47 AM   #6
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I've drawn a conclusion, pre-1990, WE'LL TAKE IT!!! It's true..... Anybody else notice this trend?

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I've drawn a conclusion, pre-1990, WE'LL TAKE IT!!! It's true..... Anybody else notice this trend?

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Not if it comes from me or my dad's stuff...

I would say this, pre-1990, the rules are relaxed somewhat.

Pre-1980, the rules are more relexaed.

Pre-1960, the rules are even more relaxed.

But you still can be surprised. I've been dinged on a lot of 1980s stuff that I really thought would get in. High sun and back lit will pretty much kill you into the 1960s.
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Can't belive the marks on this one. As somebody who has scanned a lot of stuff, I would not even put it on our own website without removing all those marks on the sky; let alone submit it to RP.

Having tried a few of my other half's photos taken in the 1970s, the most frequent rejection is for grain (he tended to use 200 ASA). Some of them possibly could get on RP with a lot more work (and more skill than I possess) plus time is a limiting factor.

Here is one that did get on after several attempts (and it is currently his most popular shot)

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Historic now that the location has totally disappeared, there is another shot looking in the opposite direction but the amount of grain and muted colours have totally defeated any attempts to get accepted on here.
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I've tried to be extra-meticulous regarding dust and scratches on the old stuff I've gotten into the database, especially since the old stuff seems to be very popular and gets a lot of views. And not just on the sky, either.

Even so, I can still find spots I've missed.

Some of these I've put a heck of a lot of time in on, trying to get the sky, etc. cleaned up:

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The snow looked "dirty" on this one at first, but it was mostly dust. I think I got it cleaned up fairly well:

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Well, GIMP ( http://www.gimp.org/ ) is free, it knows everything Photoshop CS2 did (I'm not familiar with CS3 and CS4). Maybe it needs some tricking to have action layers or how they are called, but it works, it's faster and more stable. For raw-conversion there are great GNU programs also, like RAWTherapee ( http://www.rawtherapee.com/ ), which can wor together with GIMP nicely, so you ge something like PS CameraRAW, and for any camera in the world!

I have a lot of rejections (about 5% passes, but mostly for PEQ, which can mean anything or nothing), but still I say that quality matters!
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