Old 02-03-2007, 01:19 PM   #1
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I was told by someone that this site has a few pictures of mine, of his, and several other people's. Sure enough, right on the front page is a shot of mine, not even credited to me, with the copyright info intentionally left off. I see some railpictures.net contributors on here, too.

If one of your pics is on here and this bothers you, send him an email. It looks like you might have to do it in Spanish, though.

Some people do not seem to care about such things, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The person did not ask, he took the time to remove the copyright, and did not credit a picture. I usually don't mind if someone asks.

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Old 02-03-2007, 03:51 PM   #2
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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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http://ferrocarrilmexicano1.tripod.com/

I was told by someone that this site has a few pictures of mine, of his, and several other people's. Sure enough, right on the front page is a shot of mine, not even credited to me, with the copyright info intentionally left off. I see some railpictures.net contributors on here, too.

If one of your pics is on here and this bothers you, send him an email. It looks like you might have to do it in Spanish, though.

Some people do not seem to care about such things, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The person did not ask, he took the time to remove the copyright, and did not credit a picture. I usually don't mind if someone asks.

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Old 02-03-2007, 04:49 PM   #3
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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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That is likely the case, but there are two railpictures.net guys with work on his site. I highly doubt he asked them, though that is just my assumption. My intent here is simply a heads up to those who may want to know, not to start a debate.

Then again, look at my avatar. It's stolen.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:32 PM   #4
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I'm assuming that since this is a Mexican web site, that the only pictures being harvested are those of railways in Mexico or railways in the US that also operate in Mexico? If so, this eliminates the worry for many US contributors (including me).

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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:37 PM   #5
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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
My thoughts exactly. That's the sentiment that it may not/doesn't effect me so who gives a hoot.

On something like this, if someone's pictures are being taken advantage of without permission, that's one to many in my book.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:55 PM   #6
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That guy's pop-ups are worse than RP's ever was...every single thing you click on leads to a pop up.

It's odd that he credits some people's work (John Witthaus and Jim Matuska), but others have nothing, like Pat's. Fortunately it doesn't look like he's passing of any of these photos as his own or that he's trying to profit directly from them, but it looks like his site is solely for informational purposes only.

I'm not sure how copyright info or intellectual material or the courtesies of using such material is handled in Mexico, but I'm with Pat that this guy should have at least contacted the photographer in question and/or at least left the copyright bar in place...
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For myself, if it's non-profit, then I don't care if people use my images, as long as they don't modify it, and as long as they make a link back. Though, it is common courtesy to ask before using.

If someone's trying to use them for commercial gain, then I expect royalty payments. If someone tries to pass them off as their own, then I get angry. Thankfully, that's not yet happened to me.
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That's the sentiment that it may not/doesn't effect me so who gives a hoot.
If my photos get harvested, what are you going to think? You won't "give a hoot" either.

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If my photos get harvested, what are you going to think? You won't "give a hoot" either.
Here here! Copyright infringement isn't a laughing matter. I'd come in shooting of someone stole my pictures w/o giving me credit. Hell, I'd be pissed if someone used my shots on a website, gave me credit but didn't ask first.
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But does that make it okay, just because it doesn't concern the majority of RP.net contributors?
That's not what I'm meaning by this - what I am intending to say is that those of us who don't have photos pertaining to what he wants may not have to worry about browsing through his site. He seems to want photos in Mexico (go figure ). However, unfortunately, some photos, even when not in Mexico, still may be at risk in a case like this, such as this one:

Image © Mike Vandenberg
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Photograph © Mike Vandenberg


My original question concerned whether or not photos like this one were being used. It didn't imply that it was okay to use these photos, regardless of where they were taken.

As I was originally saying, does it seem as though photographers like me and the person who took this above photo are at risk for our photos being stolen by the author of that site?

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However, unfortunately, some photos, even when not in Mexico, still may be at risk in a case like this, such as this one:

Image © Mike Vandenberg
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It doesn't matter if a photo on this site is of a Mexican engine or not; all of them are equally vulnerable to theft.
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It doesn't matter if a photo on this site is of a Mexican engine or not; all of them are equally vulnerable to theft.
I'm being specific to the site that caused this thread to start - they seem to want Mexican photos only.

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Well, if you care you actually can "force" them to remove the work in question. This is done through sending their ISP a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) DCMA letter. This site explains it and has a sample template (last one at the bottom). Basically you do a whois search (google it) to find out who hosts the site and the HOST not the owner's contact info. In this case it's a tad more difficult because Tripod doesn't provide anything other than a mailing address, so try finding a contact e-mail for Tripod, or just mail it to them.
Basically you send the people that host the site for the owner because they are somewhat liable for copyright violations. From stories I've read chances are they'll take down the offending site almost immediately.
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Well, if you care you actually can "force" them to remove the work in question. This is done through sending their ISP a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) DCMA letter. This site explains it and has a sample template (last one at the bottom). Basically you do a whois search (google it) to find out who hosts the site and the HOST not the owner's contact info. In this case it's a tad more difficult because Tripod doesn't provide anything other than a mailing address, so try finding a contact e-mail for Tripod, or just mail it to them.
Basically you send the people that host the site for the owner because they are somewhat liable for copyright violations. From stories I've read chances are they'll take down the offending site almost immediately.
Thanks for the info. This was resolved today, but I will keep this in mind if something happens again.
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