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Old 12-06-2017, 04:57 PM   #401
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It would almost be worth photoshopping the watermark out, and emailing it to the photographer just to prove the fallacy that is watermarking.

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Old 12-07-2017, 02:13 PM   #402
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I wonder if they'll reject my comment.

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(I added "blue" to the food coloring comment before I posted)

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The 1225 makes a great subject. Would love to get back up there and see her again. Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of this particular image. After I read your comment, I took a look at it on an IPAD. The Apple displays are usually pretty true color-wise. I am really surprised that the photographer (and the screener) didn't catch the obvious color-cast issue. Other less-than-pleasing aspects include too much flash power (nuked) and a large, complex watermark that does not blend well at all with the woods.

I suspect that the target (FB) audience probably doesn't care about any of those issues.


Jim, do you sell your patented Snow Hood (TM)? I want one!
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:56 PM   #404
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Most of his 'great' photography should be rejected.

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Old 12-07-2017, 05:55 PM   #405
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Jim, do you sell your patented Snow Hood (TM)? I want one!

Kevin, that "hood" is a small black lamp shade I bought at a dollar store, which I then taped to the hood for the Canon 100-400.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:24 AM   #406
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WTF?

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Do they no longer reject for stupid dimensions or aspect ratios? This shot would look decent if it were cropped on the bottom where the left rail exits the frame but as accepted it just looks like some idiot shot it with a cell phone.
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Do they no longer reject for stupid dimensions or aspect ratios? This shot would look decent if it were cropped on the bottom where the left rail exits the frame but as accepted it just looks like some idiot shot it with a cell phone.
It's not even a cell phone ratio. That's just terrible.

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It's not even a cell phone ratio. That's just terrible.

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It's not even a cell phone ratio. That's just terrible.

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And I got an 'size: unusual aspect ratio' rejection for an 8x10 a little while back ... lol
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And I got an 'size: unusual aspect ratio' rejection for an 8x10 a little while back ... lol
So did I a couple months ago.
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The 1225 makes a great subject. Would love to get back up there and see her again. Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of this particular image. After I read your comment, I took a look at it on an IPAD. The Apple displays are usually pretty true color-wise. I am really surprised that the photographer (and the screener) didn't catch the obvious color-cast issue. Other less-than-pleasing aspects include too much flash power (nuked) and a large, complex watermark that does not blend well at all with the woods.

I suspect that the target (FB) audience probably doesn't care about any of those issues.


Jim, do you sell your patented Snow Hood (TM)? I want one!

I realize Kevin is not liked but cmon, thats a sweet shot with the plume standing out.
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Old 12-11-2017, 02:47 AM   #413
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I realize Kevin is not liked but cmon, thats a sweet shot with the plume standing out.
It would have been even sweeter if the plume wasn't blue
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It would have been even sweeter if the plume wasn't blue

The blue-ness is odd. It might be an artifact from converting from NEF to JPG maybe. Or Srgb. It would have been very easy to color correct, or simply use the desaturate tool to turn it gray. All in all though, pretty well done. The focus is the tough thing in the dark and it looks OK. Exposure is actually pretty good, although I would probably have darkened it down a little with the exposure tool. The hard thing is spacing the flash correctly and that was done here. Steam engines are different from diesels in that they are flat black where diesels are not only bright paint, the paint is usually metal flake. It takes a different lighting strategy for each. My only criticism is the train isn't in a particularly interesting setting. Not sure if there was something better somewhere else though.

This railroad is on my "will get to it" list. In the past our family vacations have been either way north (Arctic), the West, or Europe. We've never been to Michigan. Now that my kids are grown and gone, and wife & I have more vacation days, I intend to start knocking off a few things from my "will get to it" list.


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I would probably have darkened it down a little with the exposure tool.

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Hi Kent,

So would I. Too many night shots are just too bright. Just because someone can light something with a big enough nuke, doesn't necessarily mean that the result will be pleasing to the eye. It's night. It should look like night...not artificial day. If I wanted a shot lit that brightly, I'd go photograph the train at 4 PM on a sunny afternoon.
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So would I. Too many night shots are just too bright. Just because someone can light something with a big enough nuke, doesn't necessarily mean that the result will be pleasing to the eye. It's night. It should look like night...not artificial day. If I wanted a shot lit that brightly, I'd go photograph the train at 4 PM on a sunny afternoon.

My thinking is that a night photo should have the "feel" of the night, something that preserves its sense of mystery. Here's a grab shot I took last night on the way home. I try to capture the idea of a train briefly coming out of the darkness to reveal itself, and then just as quickly it disappears back into the dark. I had 16 flash with me (~10,000ws) but only needed two small ones to get what I wanted. Probably could have used a third on the hoppers (or used my D800E instead of D5300). Anyway, I am after a totally different feeling with night shots vs. day shots.

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Well I see why you're sticking up for Burkholder now..

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I just got the message, 584,240 photos since my last visit(I am in my account). Where do I start!!!!!!

Just screen for Good night flash shots should narrow it down.

Only a few rise to what Jim Shaughnessy did way back. One of my favorites is a little set of photos of his he did in the Palmerston Book, think the heading was a take off Midsummer's Night D.ream.

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My thinking is that a night photo should have the "feel" of the night, something that preserves its sense of mystery. Here's a grab shot I took last night on the way home. I try to capture the idea of a train briefly coming out of the darkness to reveal itself, and then just as quickly it disappears back into the dark. I had 16 flash with me (~10,000ws) but only needed two small ones to get what I wanted. Probably could have used a third on the hoppers (or used my D800E instead of D5300). Anyway, I am after a totally different feeling with night shots vs. day shots.

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I like it! It almost looks as if the train is illuminated by the headlights of your car. I also think the color temperature of this BNSF shot is far more pleasing to the eye than the blue/white color of the PM 1225 image. IMHO, the biggest problem with the 1225 shot is color balance. I'm not an expert in nailing color balance, but I can tell when it is really whacked.

So, you're up in the Hill City area, eh? I was up there this summer to visit the Black Hills Central. I stopped there for 3 days after passing through Wyoming to catch the eclipse. The BHC is a pretty neat operation. Nice people, good equipment....interesting route too.
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Circling back to the obnoxious watermark comments from earlier....
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Circling back to the obnoxious watermark comments from earlier....
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If I had to put an obnoxious watermark like that on all of my photos, I think I'd give up photography. Images are to be enjoyed, and having the primary subject contaminated with that sort of thing markedly reduces the appeal of even the thumbnail. I am not sure of the logic behind it.

The images posted here are roughly 1024 x 683 pixels at perhaps 1 MB size. None of the publishers I've ever worked with would use a low-res JPEG like that in any of their products, so it's not as if someone is going to pirate a photo from RP and put it in a legitimate book, magazine or calendar. And what if someone did try to fraudulently use someone else's train picture? How much money does the photographer stand to lose? With what most publications are paying for train pictures, you'd spend more money on the initial consult with an attorney, if you tried to enforce the gutless copyright laws.

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1. It almost looks as if the train is illuminated by the headlights of your car.

2. I also think the color temperature of this BNSF shot is far more pleasing to the eye than the blue/white color of the PM 1225 image. IMHO, the biggest problem with the 1225 shot is color balance. I'm not an expert in nailing color balance, but I can tell when it is really whacked.

3. So, you're up in the Hill City area, eh?

1. That's the sort of look I'm after with these crossing shots. I don't like to overdo the light--just enough to give you a sense of place. Actual car headlights don't light up enough area of course, and I don't have much control over the light's direction either.

2. The professional monolights (Profoto, Einstein, Elinchrom, etc.) are carefully designed to give consistent K-temp no matter what power setting. Consistency is the key when you use the flash for a living. The cheaper monolights (Cowboy Studies, Interfit, Photogenic, etc.) can vary quite a bit with power setting, or even from unit to unit. The little 4AA flash popular with railfans (such as Yongnuo) can also have a fair amount of variation. One way around this is to shoot a white card and then simply adjust in CC, of course. A more sophisticated way to get colors exactly precise is to use an X-rite Color Passport:
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3. I actually live on the other end of the state, half way between the UP Transcon in Omaha and the old NP mainline in Fargo. There are quite a few different railroads within a 3 hour radius of me.


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My thinking is that a night photo should have the "feel" of the night, something that preserves its sense of mystery. Here's a grab shot I took last night on the way home. I try to capture the idea of a train briefly coming out of the darkness to reveal itself, and then just as quickly it disappears back into the dark. I had 16 flash with me (~10,000ws) but only needed two small ones to get what I wanted. Probably could have used a third on the hoppers (or used my D800E instead of D5300). Anyway, I am after a totally different feeling with night shots vs. day shots.

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The bottom left foreground is WAY too hot and quite distracting. Gotta tone that down a bit, man.
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The images posted here are roughly 1024 x 683 pixels at perhaps 1 MB size. None of the publishers I've ever worked with would use a low-res JPEG like that in any of their products, so it's not as if someone is going to pirate a photo from RP and put it in a legitimate book, magazine or calendar.
What about a large CSX yard sign?

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I remember this. Interesting that the word "integrity" appears on it. Did you ever get any satisfaction?
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